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Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Post by NoGravitas »

boyce wrote: post #225
oblio wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, while there is huge demand for image hosting sites, that demand is really low "quality". After all, we're talking about sites hosting memes and screenshots from games, not original works of art created after tens and hundreds of hours of laboring in Photoshop.

All the pictures of text too, just because text posts on Reddit don't earn karma

And to get around the 140 character limit on Twitter. Though admittedly, most of those are on twimg rather than imgur.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Post by [deleted] »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #18

Having a third party host Reddit's images gave away a bunch of control to the point that imgur has its own community based upon the site . At the time Reddit didn't have the resources to make a competitor but this seems to be a good move now that imgur is doing dark patterns.

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Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Post by driverdan »

Dobbs wrote: post #90
jedberg wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[ deleted ] -- I removed it because I got tired of trying to explain the nuance.

That is absolutely false. Plenty of large companies are able to negotiate their rates on AWS. You just have to be huge.

You don't have to be huge, just not tiny.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Post by ForHackernews »

onli wrote: post #212
lmm wrote: post #193

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Having links that used to be hotlinks no longer be hotlinks is a dark pattern; also URLs that look like hotlinks (ending in .jpg or similar) but aren't. I'd argue that serving ads sometimes but not always is a dark pattern (particularly if they use cookies or similar to never serve ads to the original uploader).

Again, no. A dark pattern is an UI that makes the user do something he does not want. The best example is linkedin trying to get people to spam their contacts with invites. The pre-checked "subscribe to the newsletter" checkbox is a dark pattern. Same is the checkbox you need to check to not subscribe to the newsletter. A hotlink is no user interface, changing its behaviour is not a dark pattern. Serving ads never is…

> A dark pattern is an UI that makes the user do something he does not want.

You mean like clicking a *.jpg link and getting something other than a raw JPEG file?

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

lmm wrote: post #196
bubuga wrote: post #137

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Shame on imgur for providing a service that was sought-after by everyone, and provide it for free by serving ads. While we're at it, let's demand the end of free TV, free email providers, free forums, and even youtube.

> While we're at it, let's demand the end of free TV, free email providers, free forums, and even youtube. If you have a sustainable business model for such a thing, knock yourself out. If you're just making it free for a couple of years to suck people in before you ratchet up the (not necessarily monetary) cost then yeah, we can do without that.

I think the problem with this particular web service area is that you can set up an image sharing site easily and for little cost. But when it gets popular, and there's a shift to higher bandwidth usage, then costs mount beyond the ability of most people to sustain it. If it's popular then it's going to get acquired or have investors who will push the site to be more commercial; the only other way to go is to close the site or perhaps beg for donations.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Post by edraferi »

imaginenore wrote: post #188
esolyt wrote: post #155

> At this time, the Reddit community can still choose to use Imgur or other sites for image hosting. The fact that they used the phrase "At this time" makes it sound like they are planning to disable external image links in the future.

Or just convert all image links automatically. Some websites do it.

There can be very good reasons for this. Gmail, for example, rehosts embedded images with google to protect users against invisible pixel trackers.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

esolyt wrote: post #155

> At this time, the Reddit community can still choose to use Imgur or other sites for image hosting. The fact that they used the phrase "At this time" makes it sound like they are planning to disable external image links in the future.

I assumed they hadn't done that so as to keep the wholesale copyright infringement at arm's length from the parent company - is that still Condé Nast?

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Post by cm2012 »

dave2000 wrote: post #128
cloudwalking wrote: post #48

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To be fair, bandwidth isn't free. Imgur can't serve hotlinked content for free, forever.

That's a reason for a pattern, not a dark pattern, though.

As someone who spends millions of dollars on targeted advertising, I can safely say Imgur and similar sites have no worthwhile targeting options unless Facebook buys them.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Post by hawkice »

kbrosnan wrote: post #175
derefr wrote: post #162

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Good point! I distinctly recall Imgur being started because it was one of those "this used to be something hard, but now Moore's law has made it easy" services. Imgur could afford to allow hotlinking because actually serving images had become a trivial cost. Because no other image-host had capitalized on this, Imgur cleaned up—for a while. Once people started shifting to sharing content mostly as really-inefficiently…

Any modern browser visiting imgur gets H.264/WebM instead of the uncompressed gif. They introduced this 2.5 years ago. After a couple smaller gif only sites made the practice popular. https://blog.imgur.com/2014/10/09/introducing-gifv/

October 2014 -> May 2016 is 1.5 years, not 2.5. It's all of 2015 and bits of 2014 and 2016.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Post by baldfat »

> I saw that multiple times here on HN now that people misuse the term. It's a pity, the original idea is something to be aware of, and diluting what dark pattern means hinders that awareness.

Sorry long post TL/DR Fighting people on word definitions is frustrating and words change meaning when one aspect gets popular.

I have fought this war over and over again over the following words:

Troll - Everything is a troll now. It use to be just someone that tried to ruin other people's fun. Now if anything that makes anyone laugh is a troll.

Hacker - This site is case in point. Hacker was a person who would make inventions with pieces that didn't normally get take apart and put back together into something different then its original intent. Then it became criminals. Now it's start up coverage websites were if you use terms of Hackers of long gone days (i.e. M$) you get down voted for being unprofessional. :)

Humanism - Means Atheist? Humanism was founded by the leaders of the Renaissance and the Reformation Movement Leaders would self-identify as Humanist. I went on a 5 day Reddit AMA with the President of the American Humanist Society (Secular Humanist) saying they can't hijack the word and change its meaning.

Humanism and related terms are frequently applied to modern doctrines and techniques that are based on the centrality of human experience. In the 20th century, the pragmatic humanism of Ferdinand C.S. Schiller, the Christian humanism of Jacques Maritain, and the movement known as secular humanism, though differing from each other significantly in content, all show this anthropocentric emphasis. http://humanism.ws/featured/a-history-of-humanism-robert-gru...

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