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> At any one time, a publisher can be serving ads from a few exchanges, a few different private sellers, and custom built ads for brands. And these all are served in different combinations across several different ad units on multiple pages. And some of those ad sellers may be backfilling with other ad networks, or maybe the publisher is backfilling certain ads from the ad exchanges at certain CPM prices. So, don't d…

So stop going to those sites. Really; you voluntarily visit those sites. To quote you, "It is absolutely that simple."

> Really; you voluntarily visit those sites.

That's an assumption you're making, and not a correct one.

This solution also doesn't in any way address anything I said: it is still not ethical to serve malware to your users.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

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post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At any one time, a publisher can be serving ads from a few exchanges, a few different private sellers, and custom built ads for brands. And these all are served in different combinations across several different ad units on multiple pages. And some of those ad sellers may be backfilling with other ad networks, or maybe the publisher is backfilling certain ads from the ad exchanges at certain CPM prices. So, don't d…

So stop going to those sites. Really; you voluntarily visit those sites. To quote you, "It is absolutely that simple."

Agreed! That's why I support this move by reddit.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

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I wonder if you could sue a website for serving you malware. Here's my idea for an ad company: * People who want to post ads have to provide their name, address, verified email, and a security deposit(say $500). Larger volumes of ad purchases require either a long history, insurance, or a bank letter to vouch for you. If you load malware anywhere into the system, you get fined and your information gets turned over to…

* People who are higher risk(from a shady lawless country, no history or background, etc.) have to pay a higher security deposit

That sounds fine initially, but actually think about that for a minute. You want to give 1st world countries and established businesses lower barriers to entry than a random entrepreneur who happens to be from India?

Also, AdSense works in a similar manner with the deposits. You don't get a payout until you earn $100. That acts as a buffer for Google to determine whether you are legit or not, and stops people from earning low amounts on lots of different accounts.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

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This industry is ripe for innovation. I agree that the state of malware being served through Ad Exchanges is grotesque and I fully employ my ad blocker everywhere. Here is the thing I just dont get. Why doesnt some tech savvy organization create a white label solution that companies can either slap a subdomain on and invite "Customers" to fill ad supply. Self host the curated assets through said white label solution.…

Many adblockers use CSS to block ads, but that obviously wouldn't be terribly difficult to overcome. I just don't want to be that guy that lets everyone serve ads that can't be blocked by adblockers.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

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Have media companies ever considered something like the cable TV model? I'm thinking something like ten different sites form a network, and readers pay once (on a subscription basis) for access to the whole network instead of paying each site separately. I definitely am not interested in subscribing separately to (e.g.) Wired, the NY Times, the Economist, WSJ, the New Yorker, etc. But I think I'd be totally down for…

If they ever become popular, I'll make a site that scrapes and mirrors the content, then serve malicious ads. The advertising revenue will outweigh my morals.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

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Hmm; how about a +5 point boost instead for sites doing paywall innovation? Free content isn't the end goal. Don't we want people to make a living off content? I can't imagine anybody here wouldn't pay 1 or 5 pennies for the second half of a useful article.

Don't forget that the world does not only consist of rich Silicon Valley engineers. How on earth should someone from Bangladesh use Reddit? They can't even access PayPal.

Agreed -- people in low-cost countries have barriers. They also have opportunities. The income from content goes a much longer way if rent & food are cheaper.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At any one time, a publisher can be serving ads from a few exchanges, a few different private sellers, and custom built ads for brands. And these all are served in different combinations across several different ad units on multiple pages. And some of those ad sellers may be backfilling with other ad networks, or maybe the publisher is backfilling certain ads from the ad exchanges at certain CPM prices. So, don't d…

You don't get a free pass on ethics just because ethics are inconvenient for your business model. I think calling this an ethical issue is quite a stretch. In many cases, we're talking about visitors who are not only enjoying the content from someone else's site completely for free, but also employing tools that actively modify the intended presentation of that content to the detriment of the host site's operators. A…

> And now you're saying that not only should the site operators make their content freely available and accept that some visitors will circumvent possibly the only way they have of generating revenue, those operators should also be actively responsible for vetting any third party content they incorporate within their site in case the third party is hostile

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's unethical to have ads with malware on your site. I didn't propose a way not to have malware on your site.

The way you propose, by vetting ads, has been used successfully, but it's not a particularly imaginative solution. What about donations, freemium, PWYW, subscriptions, grants? Or what about giving your work away for free and using that reputation to get jobs?

> Making Joe Blogger responsible if some massive service's CDN version of jQuery got hacked doesn't seem like a good way to encourage Joe Blogger to spend their time sharing their writing with the rest of the world.

It's utterly ridiculous to claim this is about Joe Blogger. Joe Blogger is quite often happy to do his blogging as a labor of love and let blogspot/livejournal/whatever reap all the ad revenue. And small-time bloggers who do make money are frequently more sensitive to their readers' complaints and explore alternatives to big add networks that serve ads. The problem is big content providers who are under shareholder pressure to produce growth each quarter, so they try to squeeze out every bit of ad revenue with no concern for users. They're also too risk averse to try alternative monetization strategies to ads. It is well within the capability of those players to provide ads without malware, but they don't because it doesn't hurt their bottom line enough.

Serving up malware to your users and readers is unethical. I'm all for supporting content providers; I donate to NPR and to artists on Patreon frequently. But if you can't run your business ethically, then you should shut down your business.

If you really think serving up malware to finance content is okay, then why don't you propose that content creators just hack some small percentage of their users and sell the data online? The effect on users is the same, but it cuts out the middlemen so it's more efficient.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A major security issue with probably the most popular automated image processing toolkit in existence came to light just the other day. Because of all the weird formats it supports. That's why I said jpg/png, not 'images'. Any software that supports 200 formats probably has severe bugs on the rare ones. Doesn't matter for making a secure image server where you can dictate the format. >In any case, the relative rarit…

Allowing known-risky formats that keep failing over and over is negligent. But if you look at this from the opposite direction, you're essentially arguing that we should only use technologies that are known, or at least reasonably expected, to be extremely safe. Given that in general humanity hasn't yet figured out how to create such technologies, and that numerous formats we use every day on the web to great overall…

You can use a theorem prover like Coq to generate software that proves an image parser correct.
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