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Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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The hardware of the Iphone is nice. I'd like it but with in an Android OS (and an MicroSD card slot). But then again, I wouldn't be willing for pay for that, so I'll continue using my used LG3 I picked up for like 200$.

I'd like an Android phone with the update availablity of iOS. Nexus is the closest contender, but they still stop supporting devices after about 1,5 - 2 years.

Nexus 5 is 2½ years old and is still supported.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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> It's not as bad as it used to be but reinstalling the OS and cleaning the fans can often substantially improve an old PC. And if you're reinstalling the OS anyway, add an SSD (at least for the system files). This gives a substantial performance boost on most old PCs for under 100 $/€.

Though, if you buy a cheap SSD, I would be careful not to depend on it for important data. Cheaper SSDs often have very low write endurance, and using them as the OS drive where there will be swap and hibernation files, as well as potentially large install and update activity, can drive them to a quick death.

Is it no longer standard operating procedure to disable hibernation when you put an SSD in?

In any case, with an SSD, my boot times from cold start have been faster than coming back from hibernation were with rust disks. Plus, clean starts are less likely to leave things in a fubar state than the often-buggy hibernation

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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I interpreted that comment as a jab at the PC industry. The implication being that in the last 5+ years the PC industry has failed to offer 600 million users a compelling reason to upgrade. Isn't that the correct interpretation, considering the whole point of bringing that up is because they're positioning a new device intended to replace the PC? I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poo…

Just bought a like-new PC on ebay for $200. It's not about being poor because anyone who says they can't scrape up $200 if they had to, is lying to you. It's the shocking fact that (especially if cash strapped) you can live your life, without constantly buying more and newer things. Of course Apple's stance is, you must buy our new products every year. But I can get on Facebook and email and whatever else on my $200…

That is only about two months of the cable internet bill or cell phone data plan that you would need to really be able to use the computer. To do anything that the vast majority of people want to use a computer for, anyway...

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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I am also using a phone that outperforms the hardware of any available PC that wasn't built in this century. Putting aside the hyperbole, I'm willing to bet the USB 3.0 and TB2 ports on my MBP out perform the ports on your 5-year old PC.

I actually have 2 USB 3.0 ports. USB 3.0 was first available on ASUS motherboards in late 2009 [1]. Thunderbolt wasn't available at that point but it was unveiled with the Thunderbolt Display, which was July 20th 2011, so coming up fast on 5 years old tech at this point. I personally have no use for 20Gbps transfers so TB2 has zero draw for me to upgrade. Talking about hyperbole, you're comparing brand new hardware v…

My hyperbole was making fun of your silly statement that your 5 year old computer out performs all the hardware that Apple makes[1]

My phone is more powerful than any PC[2]

I am the richest man in Seattle[3]

> The idea that I could replace my PC with an iPad pro is just plain wrong.

I'll take your word on that. But that isn't true for all PC users. I have a pretty beefy machine, not the latest and greatest, but a hex-core, 12gb, 960gtx and dual 30" monitors, which I use wholly for gaming. Youtubing, videoing, etc, have all moved to my ipad+appletv, and with my PS4, I finally feel like I have a console that provides a real crisp gaming experience. So I'm ready to no longer maintain my $2k PC, and switch to something like a SteamMachine.

[1] if you exclude the MacPro.

[2] made before the year 2000

[3] if you exclude the people that have more money than I do.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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> Yup. Clock-for-clock, Skylake is about 10-20% faster than Sandy Bridge Sorry, can you elaborate on this? Is Skylake somehow performing multiple instructions per core per clock cycle somehow?

Sometimes - there's multiple types of execution units in a CPU core (even multiples of the same type), and a thread can dispatch to multiple units at once (superscalar execution). It can also reorder the instruction stream to keep all the units occupied (out-of-order execution), preemptively execute along the most likely direction a branch will take (speculative execution), etc. Basically, it's all a massive game to…

Very instructive, thank you!

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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I actually have 2 USB 3.0 ports. USB 3.0 was first available on ASUS motherboards in late 2009 [1]. Thunderbolt wasn't available at that point but it was unveiled with the Thunderbolt Display, which was July 20th 2011, so coming up fast on 5 years old tech at this point. I personally have no use for 20Gbps transfers so TB2 has zero draw for me to upgrade. Talking about hyperbole, you're comparing brand new hardware v…

My hyperbole was making fun of your silly statement that your 5 year old computer out performs all the hardware that Apple makes[1] My phone is more powerful than any PC[2] I am the richest man in Seattle[3] > The idea that I could replace my PC with an iPad pro is just plain wrong. I'll take your word on that. But that isn't true for all PC users. I have a pretty beefy machine, not the latest and greatest, but a hex…

Silly statement that's factually correct and entirely relevant to a discussion about the lack of reason to upgrade hardware to something Apple currently makes?

When your comparison is to bring up a 16 year hardware difference or to incorrectly comment at the lack of transfer standards available to me and also suggesting that I even needed said transfer speed or peripherals, I don't understand what impact you're trying to have on the discussion.

I excluded the mac pro because it costs ~$1k more than I spent on my computer 5 years ago. I could spend the same ~$2k and build a similar or the ~$3k and a far more powerful computer, but I realize that isn't available to everyone and so omitted it as it wasn't a fair comparison and not relevant to the conversation on an Apple exec suggesting that people don't upgrade their computers frequently enough and should instead buy the latest iPad Pro every 2-3 years.

I really don't get what point you're trying to make, other than being overly pedantic and argumentative. There isn't much reason to upgrade hardware, especially not within the Apple ecosystem and these comments from an Apple exec are very far from the mark. If you don't agree with that statement then I'm happy to discuss, but your current line of reasoning is flawed and unproductive.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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My hyperbole was making fun of your silly statement that your 5 year old computer out performs all the hardware that Apple makes[1] My phone is more powerful than any PC[2] I am the richest man in Seattle[3] > The idea that I could replace my PC with an iPad pro is just plain wrong. I'll take your word on that. But that isn't true for all PC users. I have a pretty beefy machine, not the latest and greatest, but a hex…

Silly statement that's factually correct and entirely relevant to a discussion about the lack of reason to upgrade hardware to something Apple currently makes? When your comparison is to bring up a 16 year hardware difference or to incorrectly comment at the lack of transfer standards available to me and also suggesting that I even needed said transfer speed or peripherals, I don't understand what impact you're tryin…

> I don't understand what impact you're trying to have on the discussion.

> I really don't get what point you're trying to make

The point I'm making with you is the strong confirmation bias (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias) to your belief that there is no compelling reason to upgrade from an older PC to a tablet.

You are selectively fitting evidence (ignoring MacPros) to ensure your anecdotal argument is factually correct, then using that statement as the basis for invalidating the assertion that PC users with old hardware would benefit from "upgrading" to an iPad.

There is no reason for you who presumably has a very powerful, albeit "old", PC to upgrade to a tablet. That does not mean every other person with an old computer will also not benefit from replacing their machine with a tablet. The latter part being the basis for the statement from Apple.

My opinion: for folks who don't require KVM, could upgrade to a tablet. Anecdotally, my Mom no longer uses her laptop, and does her emailing, youtubing, and photo stuff wholly on a 1st gen ipad. However, her use case is clearly not yours (or mine).

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> I grew up around windows and linux, and whenever I tell that in a job interview - people think I am not being serious since "real developers" use mac. How true is this? I have noticed the proliferation of Macs in the developer community and I was wondering how much it would hurt me professionally by not owning one. Do devs really make snap judgements based on your platform of choice and could this impact me profess…

Real real developers use a precision flathead screwdriver and a bank of DIP switches.~ One of the great triumphs of computing was abstracting the algorithm away from the specifics of the hardware using compilers. We have the good fortune to be able to configure those compilers to generate several varieties of executable containers, such as ELF, a.out, COFF, EXE (MZ), EXE (PE/COFF), JAR, Mach-O, and others. As long as…

It's all fun and games until your boss's boss walks into the room and says "Why aren't you using Eclipse? Real developers use Eclipse."

If you have sufficient seniority, you can tell them to fuck off without worrying. But if you're new to the company, or worse, industry...

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Silly statement that's factually correct and entirely relevant to a discussion about the lack of reason to upgrade hardware to something Apple currently makes? When your comparison is to bring up a 16 year hardware difference or to incorrectly comment at the lack of transfer standards available to me and also suggesting that I even needed said transfer speed or peripherals, I don't understand what impact you're tryin…

> I don't understand what impact you're trying to have on the discussion. > I really don't get what point you're trying to make The point I'm making with you is the strong confirmation bias (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias ) to your belief that there is no compelling reason to upgrade from an older PC to a tablet. You are selectively fitting evidence (ignoring MacPros) to ensure your anecdotal arg…

I ignored mac pros? I specifically called them out as not a valid comparison given the price point.

First it's hyperbole, which you incorrectly applied now it's confirmation bias by 'ignoring' something which was not pertinent but I called out anyway. Make up your mind.

If you want to argue on the internet, there are plenty of other places to do that, I wish you luck in your sport. However, if you're just going to stick around and argue equivocation needlessly, that's not something I want to be a part of.

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