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Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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That's true and a good point, but the article also quotes a Mexican grower who says the bulk price has come down about 50%. That's money right out of the cartels pockets.

It's money out of the grower's pockets, for sure. But the cartels, they'll just focus on other products.

Yeah, but extortion and kidnapping don't scale as well as the drug trade does.

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People can get high with edibles, vape pens, body rubs, many ways. Someone you work with could be getting high right now, and you wouldn't know it - they were quitting smoking and vaping, or they got some chocolates (but won't share). You can't tell, and 50% of the sales at Tucson dispensaries are edibles and concentrates. So you will have to judge on the work, not if they are giggling. You should be more concerned i…

Lots of people who you would think should know better drive under the influence of alcohol. I think part of the reason is that alcohol impairs judgment. Having never smoked weed, I'm curious about whether there is that same effect. Are you more able to tell yourself "I'm high, I shouldn't drive" than you are "I'm drunk, I shouldn't drive"?

Anecdotally, yes, people tend to know when they're too stoned to drive.

Here's something addressing a similar question[0]:

> Detrimental effects of cannabis use vary in a dose-related fashion, and are more pronounced with highly automatic driving functions than with more complex tasks that require conscious control, whereas alcohol produces an opposite pattern of impairment. Because of both this and an increased awareness that they are impaired, marijuana smokers tend to compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies.

[0]: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10550490902786934

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Yes, I am. Domus means house or home. You know, homegrown. False friend right there. I guess when corporations are people, nations are houses and nationally grown crops may just as well be domestic. Still stands to reason, as with other industrialized crops, that the selection does still not favor taste over yield, speed and looks, nevermind health factors with regard to the fertilizers and pesticides used. Contrary…

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.” [LEWIS CARROLL (Charles L. Dodgson), Through the Looking-Glass, chapter 6, p. 205 (1934). First published in 1872.] If you…

I'd be hard pressed to believe that it doesn't mean what I intended, it just has two meanings. I'm a second language speaker, if that's any excuse.

corporation - embodiement

national - from the place of birth / the brood / the natural habitat

industrial - to grow with most diligence will be (expected to be) most profitable, so it's a nice implicit meaning.

domus - green houses, warehouses or office buildings are houses, even the porches and front yard by extension are sub-surmised, why not the acres, too, or market stands, or maybe somebody just heard and used it with an adjacent meaning to denote the embodiments of economy and now has to go with it, rather than admit it was kinda somehow wrong.

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Why? It would only feed a new industry of expensive arrests and trials for no good reason.

Because it isn't safe to drive under the influence of marijuana, or to do many jobs. For driving, there just currently isn't a great solution, and that freaks a lot of otherwise open-minded people out. For jobs, the solution is often to disqualify anyone who has used it in the last few weeks (or even months, maybe?). Neither is a good solution. Do you believe that breathalyzers result in expensive arrests and trials…

So far, driving has become safer in Colorado. Show me an overall bad outcome.

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From the perspective of a humanist, borders are kind of arbitrary. Simply because you had the shit luck of being born maybe a few kilometers South of the most southern states, you end up getting a way worse experience in life and your ticket is almost entirely predetermined. I agree on law and order, but again, isn't it a little crazy that in one state you have one set of laws and then once you cross an imaginary lin…

Oh, I think the "states" are unnecessary in the US. I agree with that. But borders between nations are, outside of a worldwide utopia, are rather necessary.

but they aren't essential

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Thank you. I hardly ever see comments about the benefits of legalization to casual weed smokers. Maybe we haven't shed the stigma yet, but this isn't just bad for drug lords and for-profit prisons, this is good for millions of consumers!

The true price of weed is like $1/gram.

Under prohibition pricing, our[0] costs (Indoor, organic nutrients) come out to about $17/plant to produce.

0. https://medicalcannab.is

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Because it isn't safe to drive under the influence of marijuana, or to do many jobs. For driving, there just currently isn't a great solution, and that freaks a lot of otherwise open-minded people out. For jobs, the solution is often to disqualify anyone who has used it in the last few weeks (or even months, maybe?). Neither is a good solution. Do you believe that breathalyzers result in expensive arrests and trials…

So far, driving has become safer in Colorado. Show me an overall bad outcome.

There's an interesting point here. I suspect we would both agree that "driving has become safer in Colorado" because more people are choosing to be stoned at home, instead of drunk on the roads. However, I think there are still a lot of people stoned on the roads, and that driving would become even more safer if we could deter that through reliable detection. But it's possible that would be a wash or have a negative result due to re-tipping the scales in favor of being drunk and potentially driving. Obviously, that hasn't been tested, but I think it's worth shooting for an even better outcome, rather than just avoiding an overall bad one.

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So far, driving has become safer in Colorado. Show me an overall bad outcome.

There's an interesting point here. I suspect we would both agree that "driving has become safer in Colorado" because more people are choosing to be stoned at home, instead of drunk on the roads. However, I think there are still a lot of people stoned on the roads, and that driving would become even more safer if we could deter that through reliable detection. But it's possible that would be a wash or have a negative…

You have already pointed out why that might not work in practice, plus you have not proposed a way to prevent law enforcement from imposing de facto prohibition or creating other self-serving distortions as law enforcement often does.
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