High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters • Hacker News Board

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

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Post by googthrowaway27 » Sun, Feb 07, 2016, 5:56 PM UTC

hueving wrote: post #167

kzhahou wrote: post #154

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Why the hostility? I'm not making any of this up. That bonus is typical of multiple places I've been, usually comprising 15% individual performance bonus and 15% company performance. And of course 150 sal != 300 sal. 300+ is total comp, as I already said.

Software Engineer 5 at Facebook is total comp $268k on glassdoor. Your estimates are way too high.

I am a lowly Software Engineer 3 at Google. My total compensation for 2015 was approximately $270k. Base salary is between $140-150k. Bonus percentage 30%. Stock made up the rest.

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

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Post by pc86 » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 1:33 PM UTC

ryguytilidie wrote: post #220

pc86 wrote: post #63

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Not a recruiter but I've gotten all but my current job through recruiters. I think the quoted moral still applies - you obviously have to disclose what you want to earn if you expect to actually earn that. However, what I made at my last job had zero bearing on my expected salary at my current job. If a recruiter is just trying to find out what I want, they can ask. However, I think more often than not they're gettin…

While I'm mostly an internal recruiting manager, I've signed a lot of these deals and have a lot of recruiter friends and know their general contract structure. I do not know of anyone and have never seen a recruiter compensation package where they were paid on spread. That just seems like an incentive to hire someone other than the best person for the job. Seems really strange to me.

As recently as 2010 Aerotek paid their recruiters exclusively on a percentage of spread.

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

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Post by arprocter » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 5:32 PM UTC

corin_ wrote: post #134

arprocter wrote: post #89

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It's strange to me that US job ads don't state the wage being offered. In the UK a ballpark pay figure is normally expected information

Depends on the industry, I see lots of management/marketing/bizdev job postings which just say something along the lines of "competitive salary offered", including roles where you'd guess the salary might be £20k or £150k.

'no one states salaries, but trust us - ours is competitive!'

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

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Post by crzwdjk » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 2:42 PM UTC

hacknat wrote: post #213

Consultant32452 wrote: post #209

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That may also largely depend on who the recruiter you're talking to works for. If it's HR for the company that's different than a third party technical recruiter like a TEKSystems or something. The third party technical recruiter, which is who I'm usually talking to, has no real incentive to low-ball you.

And if it's the company they actually don't know the market any better than you.

Why do you think that's the case? A typical company is hiring at least one person per month, and depending on the size of the company, probably many more. Plus, if people keep telling them the numbers, they can get a pretty good idea of the state of the market just from talking to all the candidates, which gives them quite a lot of datapoints. Do you do a monthly salary survey of a random selection of 30 people in comparable job roles?

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

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Post by geoelectric » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 9:47 PM UTC

RealityVoid wrote: post #125

geoelectric wrote: post #95

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I see quite a few 50 year olds in larger, more established companies. Older people don't join startups because they can't afford to, as a general rule, but the rest of the age skew that exists is as much because the current round of technological skill set is rooted in the GUI and Internet advances of the 90s as much as anything. That ends up putting a soft bound on career length based on if you did your primary lear…

> Anyone older cut their teeth on assembly or C, NetBIOS, and CLI and may or may not have stayed current afterwards. Is there something wrong with these in that they are not useful anymore? I see a lot of jobs that require these, and I think they're still very relevant. Actually, I'm relatively young and love that stuff and work with that stuff... I'd love to work with someone who's been working with those for decade…

No, they're still useful but the people posting that they don't see older people in tech almost certainly aren't working in these technologies.

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

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Post by Consultant32452 » Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 8:28 PM UTC

crzwdjk wrote: post #234

hacknat wrote: post #213

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And if it's the company they actually don't know the market any better than you.

Why do you think that's the case? A typical company is hiring at least one person per month, and depending on the size of the company, probably many more. Plus, if people keep telling them the numbers, they can get a pretty good idea of the state of the market just from talking to all the candidates, which gives them quite a lot of datapoints. Do you do a monthly salary survey of a random selection of 30 people in co…

I think it goes both ways. The employer may have talked to 30 people looking for comparable job roles in the last month but they almost certainly haven't ever talked to the 10 other companies in the area that are hiring for similar job roles.