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Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by tamana » Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 4:22 AM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #227

Godel_unicode wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should consider that the utter silence to which you refer has an alternative interpretation. Namely that the powerful people have said nothing not because they are afraid, but because they are unconcerned.

Our powerful people don't read much history, do they? Perhaps they think that the monster will stay on the leash this time. That's cute.

They don't think it will stay on the leash, they believe it has no interest in devouring them. Why would it turn against a powerful ally?

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by tamana » Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 4:25 AM UTC

PavlovsCat wrote: post #132

grandalf wrote: post #120

If it weren't for the mistreatment of Bradley Manning, I'd consider US Government attempts to capture Snowden somewhat reasonable. If (in hindsight) there had been any high level response acknowledging the inappropriateness of any of the revealed programs, and attempting to fix or impose accountability measures on covert programs, I'd feel reassured that the bad behavior evidenced by the leaked information was an ano…

> A principled president This is a bit off-topic, but I saw something today I couldn't help but think of when I saw that phrase. Even though Hillary Clinton is not every president and may be have been too defeatist (or too obedient) when she said this, my "point" is basically, if even going up against hundreds of millions of dollars seems "out of the question", well, what about the really nasty and actually powerful…

The President can get hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding and on-line contributions to promote their agenda.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by ctstover » Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 5:21 AM UTC

pekk wrote: post #146

ctstover wrote: post #107

Four legs good, two legs bad! Snuff him out!

Are you really saying that the US government is Stalinist?

Stalinist, no. Mob culture? Lost its way? Disconnected from history? yes.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by 9erdelta » Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 5:30 AM UTC

PavlovsCat wrote: post #208

marincounty wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the average American cares unough to dig deeper for the truth. I politely used the word care; I hope it's not another word?

Maybe it's the way someone who never breathed fresh air doesn't miss fresh air. That is, if we knew what we're missing, even if it's just in relation to "how things could be", we'd care more, I think. And we really are missing out. We have the know-how, technology and morally, for everybody on the world to have a great and dignified life. We just don't have the culture. I often wish I had been born as some kind of ge…

I like your comment about fresh air. I can't prove it or point to any source, but I firmly believe that as a civilization, we are living in poverty compared to what we could be living in if only we had some "fresh air".

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by alexandercrohde » Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 5:31 AM UTC

eddieh wrote: post #84

ghrifter wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most "tech savvy" people support him and how he made us aware of the NSA bs, but a lot of normal people who just watch the news view him as a "traitor" to 'Murica (America). Sadly, people think "I have nothing to hide, so I don't care if the government/NSA monitors my internet usage/history/etc". Personally, I think the terrorists have won in a small sense. TSA is a joke (American airport security), NSA monitors ever…

> he made us aware of the NSA bs I'm not sure I agree with that. The use of mass electronic surveillance by alphabet soup agencies was common knowledge before Snowden. Right now I'm looking at source code from 1987 that was used create false positives against NSA keyword scanners. All Snowden did was release "secret" official documents detailing these programs.

Mass surveillance was common knowledge? I'd encourage you to read about James R Clapper. To cite the wikipedia page:

[During a senate hearing] Senator Wyden then asked Clapper, "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" He responded "No, sir."

So here we have a representative of the executive branch lying to the legislative about mass surveillance 3 years ago (checks and balances please?). So no, it was not common knowledge.

edit: spelling

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by gnu8 » Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 5:34 AM UTC

The people on that airplane ought to be in prison and rightfully deserve to be killed. They have no doubt flown out countless times to kidnap people who they proceeded to torture and kill, or deliver to others to torture and kill. Worse still, those people are walking around as civilians in the United States as if they had done nothing wrong.

I'm nauseated to think that these people are free. Anyone in a position to leak their identities so that they can be dealt with should consider it their moral obligation to do so.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by ionised » Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 11:46 AM UTC

kafkaesq wrote: post #156

ZanyProgrammer wrote: post #39

Shouldn't that be "British" airspace? If the Scots don't like it, they should declare independence (but that failed) and maybe build an air defense network to shoot down unidentified possible CIA rendition jets (not very feasible).

The "British" empire collapsed 70 years ago. Enough already.

Great Britain as an entity still exists, and is different than the United Kingdom.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by jccc » Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 1:54 PM UTC

jccc wrote: post #191

tptacek wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not out of bounds asking any of those people to answer for what they said, but please stop asking me to.

With absolutely sincere respect, given your credentials and your role on this forum, I will ask you to answer for what you say when it -- albeit perhaps unintentionally -- entails false innuendo.

Note, unintentionally -- When an influential voice on HN albeit unintentionally spreads false and damaging innuendo, then says he should not be challenged, what is the appropriate way to say that, yes, in fact he should be challenged?

(His view that I called him a liar does not make it so.)

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by jessaustin » Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 7:18 PM UTC

tamana wrote: post #231

jessaustin wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our powerful people don't read much history, do they? Perhaps they think that the monster will stay on the leash this time. That's cute.

They don't think it will stay on the leash, they believe it has no interest in devouring them. Why would it turn against a powerful ally?

Powerful allies are tasty.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by kafkaesq » Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 7:23 PM UTC

gnu8 wrote: post #236

The people on that airplane ought to be in prison and rightfully deserve to be killed. They have no doubt flown out countless times to kidnap people who they proceeded to torture and kill, or deliver to others to torture and kill. Worse still, those people are walking around as civilians in the United States as if they had done nothing wrong. I'm nauseated to think that these people are free. Anyone in a position to…

"I know -- let's kill all the perpetrators and evil-doers in the old regime. That'll teach 'em!"

You see where this leads to, right?