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Re: We apologize

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Your pain account got downvotes because the posts were incoherent. You may want to include stuff in your profile about your communication style. Your posts frequently seem to have Markov-chain like fragments.

Thlog thear thrauma trauma-chain fragments often face bitcism before bitwism∫ #emosec( #infosec(( #emoinfosec( (( ~~Literacy and biteracy are beaten by apathological amemerroriolate volitanguage systems.~~

It scares me how much that makes sense.

Re: We apologize

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yes it is a recent thing however look at the "we apologise" thread and it is the topic of the top voted comment. People care about it. The cunt/hitler thing all relates to the banning of r/fph and the reasoning behind it. Her statement to the effect that reddit was not a free-speech site but a safe place was the originator of most of the hatred. Reddit always championed itself as a free-speech site and it was the use…

No, it's even older than the FPH banning. It's pure tabloid misogyny, and has been increasing steadily since here appointment. FPH's banning and the Victoria thing have certainly turned up the volume of it, as the hate-squad hold up each new issue (and with the Victoria episode, finally an issue that raised valid concerns) as more proof that they'd been right to harass her for months.

> It's pure tabloid misogyny,

I couldn't care less about Pao. I think the attitude and actions of Ohanian (who is, after all, the person who fired Taylor) has been pretty much the antithesis of helpful during this debacle.

Re: We apologize

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post #219

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yes it is a recent thing however look at the "we apologise" thread and it is the topic of the top voted comment. People care about it. The cunt/hitler thing all relates to the banning of r/fph and the reasoning behind it. Her statement to the effect that reddit was not a free-speech site but a safe place was the originator of most of the hatred. Reddit always championed itself as a free-speech site and it was the use…

No, it's even older than the FPH banning. It's pure tabloid misogyny, and has been increasing steadily since here appointment. FPH's banning and the Victoria thing have certainly turned up the volume of it, as the hate-squad hold up each new issue (and with the Victoria episode, finally an issue that raised valid concerns) as more proof that they'd been right to harass her for months.

Really? If it was around before fph then it was very low key and it would have been because of her lawsuit because prior to fph that was all we really knew about her. But that doesn't mean that the hate was unfounded, her behaviour as portrayed by her own admission at trial, was shitty and as a jury decided she was not discriminated against, she was just a shitty person trying to play the victim card. People didn't want her associated with something (reddit) that they care about.

It is nothing to do with misogyny that is just a handy wall to hide behind because she is female. If it was misogyny then why the uproar over a female member of staff being fired?

If her accusers were shown to be female it would become a our her race. End of the day she is disliked because of her actions and behaviour, her gender and race have nothing to do with it.

Re: We apologize

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post #219

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No, it's even older than the FPH banning. It's pure tabloid misogyny, and has been increasing steadily since here appointment. FPH's banning and the Victoria thing have certainly turned up the volume of it, as the hate-squad hold up each new issue (and with the Victoria episode, finally an issue that raised valid concerns) as more proof that they'd been right to harass her for months.

> It's pure tabloid misogyny, I couldn't care less about Pao. I think the attitude and actions of Ohanian (who is, after all, the person who fired Taylor) has been pretty much the antithesis of helpful during this debacle.

Do we know for certain that ohanian sacked Victoria?

Re: We apologize

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Why did this apology come out today and not before Pao spoke to news outlets about this topic? Why wouldn't you try to talk to your upset users quickly and directly? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/technology/reddit-moderato... http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2015/07/05/420...

If you note her account's history, you might notice that every single one of her contributions has been mass-downvoted, including earlier responses on the matter. Downvoted content gets hidden. There's an ongoing voting war over the submission itself, with only 61% upvoting. That's way, way low for reddit. Speculation: It's very possible that they decided to do press work first so that the message would not be muted…

They own the website. They can put whatever they want on the front page...

Re: We apologize

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This is a pretty shitty apology. The key problem is that ekjp isn't owning the failures directly. Just look at the language in the post... "We screwed up." "We haven’t communicated well..." "we acknowledge this long history of mistakes..." This type of language shows a lack of ownership and accountability of the author. It's a huge red flag. If one of my employees wrote something like this I would never have accepted…

Proper Apologies have Three Parts

1. What I did was wrong. 2. I feel badly that I hurt you. 3. How can I make this better.

(yeah it's from a sign on the wall at Jimmy John's)

Re: We apologize

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She did, in fact, attempt to reply to early discussions on Reddit but she was downvoted into oblivion (e.g. -5500+ down votes) and she wasn't ever going to be heard, no matter how relevant or important her discussion was. So she probably thought it was smarter (and would get better exposure while the community cools down a little bit) to communicate with Buzzfeed et. al.

Yeah, I've heard that, and that's crazy too. The community actually has a veto on communications from the CEO? Absolutely nuts. They couldn't just hack the backend to give her a billion upvotes?

No, but they do have a blog.

Re: We apologize

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I'm sure this happens a lot. But I'd have expected more of an effort to gain the trust of the users, which would seem to me to be an important element in all this. Reddit is not exactly an ordinary business, Yahoo and Apple are not comparable in that the cohesion between Yahoo users is much lower than between redditors and Apple makes hardware and is much more a business in the traditional sense. > The level of abuse…

A lot of this conversation assumes we all know what the role of Reddit's CEO should be. But we probably don't: the title means radically different things in different organizations. It seems from easily available evidence that Reddit's core business challenge was taking a runaway successful online community and reliably monetizing it. If the CEO role at Reddit was primarily responsible for dealing with that problem,…

The message board nerd who was also a crack shot at driving revenue growth is a bit of a unicorn.

I wonder if this is part of the problem. This is one reason why problems with Yishan-style CEOs needs to be fixed I think.

Re: We apologize

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post #22

This is a pretty shitty apology. The key problem is that ekjp isn't owning the failures directly. Just look at the language in the post... "We screwed up." "We haven’t communicated well..." "we acknowledge this long history of mistakes..." This type of language shows a lack of ownership and accountability of the author. It's a huge red flag. If one of my employees wrote something like this I would never have accepted…

I guess they had a look to the key performance numbers at Reddit after the blackouts, and finally understand that Reddit with new regime control kills popularity, sub-reddits going black can cause a pretty visible dip in the visitor stats. I guess this happens when you move from community driven to profit driven with a site like Reddit.

Re: We apologize

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Thlog thear thrauma trauma-chain fragments often face bitcism before bitwism∫ #emosec( #infosec(( #emoinfosec( (( ~~Literacy and biteracy are beaten by apathological amemerroriolate volitanguage systems.~~

It scares me how much that makes sense.

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