Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29 • Hacker News Board

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by yuhong » Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 1:29 AM UTC

MichaelGG wrote: post #211

ladzoppelin wrote: post #210

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Anybody who thinks Windows 7 is better than Windows 8.1 needs to get a new monitor or their eyes checked. Also if you update to the latest Windows 10 build, released this weekend, it fixes the search/start menu launch stuff. I am running 8.1 and Windows 10 in a virtual plus several users are already running 10. Blurry fonts are the app makers problem, just like Apple.

Uh blurry apps include all the Metro stuff, IE/Sparta, etc. It's because MS is abandoning pixel snapping in lieu of "more accurate" subpixel positioning. This approach only works well on high DPI or large fonts. It sucks compared to normal ClearType at smaller ( Users are gonna be hard pressed to list the advantages of 20 over 7. Console windows suck less. Start menu is back. Task manager is better. Lots of under-the…

I think giving app developers a market is part of why Win10 is free.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by tracker1 » Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 2:28 AM UTC

Silhouette wrote: post #214

lholden wrote: post #213

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Businesses have had the ability to manage update deployments for a while now. Big Win10 feature changes will likely come in a service pack form or similar, with security fixes and minor updates using the same model they always have. A business will typically test and verify updates before pushing then out to their employees. Businesses which allow its users to perform updates directly from Microsoft already face the…

Businesses have had the ability to manage update deployments for a while now. Sure, but someone still has to test each update as it applies to each critical system or widely used standard PC configuration before giving the OK to roll it out across the organisation. If MS moved to releasing non-essential updates in an ad-hoc fashion, it seems inevitable that the result would be either a scheduling and resource managem…

I still don't see how what you are describing is any more or less of a headache than supporting Windows XP a decade after the first release.. it's still rolling updates, just with less intensive UI changes over that period.

The same goes for companies supporting Windows 7 today... they're using their own base, with cherry picked updates. It seems to me, that this would be easier to manage, than keeping up with rolling from xp/7/8/8.x etc.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by tracker1 » Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 2:32 AM UTC

ryan-allen wrote: post #143

cm2187 wrote: post #84

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I would be surprised if they would make such a gamble. The last thing they can afford is another PR disaster with Windows 10. Right now, there is very little incentive for a user to move on from Windows 7 on an existing machine, particularly if it is not touch enabled. Now imagine if they hear that Windows 10 is riddled with bugs and doesn't work.

I prefer Win 8.1 to 7 any day. I spend 99.9% of my time in desktop mode and it's fine. I prefer it! EDIT: I don't have many/any ongoing issues with bugs, and I even use Visual Studio CTP/RC on a day to day basis, without any major issues. Microsoft do software _really_ well. The crap they have to get right on an ongoing basis is nothing compared to Google and Facebook, we should give them some credit.

Win8.x with ClassicShell isn't bad.. and VS 2015 RC is pretty decent, most of the functionality works a lot better than it did in previous versions...

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by tracker1 » Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 2:37 AM UTC

SuddsMcDuff wrote: post #85

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #18

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You're getting downvoted a lot, but you're not wrong. Game companies, like Ubisoft, have been getting a lot of heat in particular for this lately...

I stopped buying games by EA and Ubisoft about 5 years ago for this very reason - shipping incomplete & buggy software with the mentality "we'll patch it later". In EA's case, those patches didn't even materialize a lot of the time. I take it from your comment that they're still up to their old tricks... I'll continue my boycott of EA and Ubi

I stopped when I started experiencing the pretty bad DRM early on, and the first time I wasn't able to rip a CD for my mp3 player because of it.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by tracker1 » Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 2:46 AM UTC

unique_parrot wrote: post #208

agildehaus wrote: post #10

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Update often is the new mantra. Unfortunately that sometimes means "we can ship crap!".

That reminds me of the win8 release. I got it after preorder on release day, installed it immediately, hit update and got something about 350MB of updates. WTF, on release day??? After 2 weeks I switched back to Win7 (which was a lot of work, because I didn't think of making a backup before, because I didn't believe what a pice of sh*t it could be).

The RTM pressing is usually sent out a couple months before the "release date" ... Even then, XP was probably one of the worst at release, and wasn't really okay until SP1, and good until SP2, but people forget that. Vista was pretty bad too.

The only version of Windows in my mind that worked really good out of the box was Windows 2000 (not ME), and even that had a conflict with some piece of software (cd burning program iirc)... Also, they removed the in-memory database between the final RC and release, which irked me to no end.

I didn't really start using Windows 8 until 8.1, I touched a few machines (that didn't have touchscreens) with windows 8 early on and it sucked, server 2008 over RDP was worse... 8.1 with classicshell isn't bad.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by tracker1 » Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 2:56 AM UTC

zanny wrote: post #215

yuhong wrote: post #212

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How often do you see XP SP2 vs SP3?

Windows updater did a good job automatically updating SP2 to 3. I've found a few SP2 (and a few SP1) machines that had Windows Updater disabled... but the other thing is that hardware hit a sort of plateau point around the Athlon 64 x2 era where the hardware got "fast enough" to make you not want to throw the monitor out the window at how slow it is. Not application load time slow, mouse lag, app freezing and churnin…

That's funny, I think the rise of SNI for https everywhere will be the final nail for most XP/IE-old users... At this point even IE9 is going away relatively quickly.

I agree about performance.. a fast machine around when the Core-2's came out is still pretty decent today with sufficient ram, which a lot of them even had.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by tracker1 » Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 3:00 AM UTC

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #185

melling wrote: post #80

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I'm a Mac user so I don't care too much. However, a lot of how Windows 10 will be perceived is from the online perception created. Most people in the world don't care about the little bugs, features, etc. They simply want to know if it's worth getting. If Windows 10 is reasonably good and tons of people upgrade from XP, for example, this will be a huge win for Microsoft and the entire community. If "reviewers" compla…

I just want to know when the next version of the Surface Pro is coming out!! Other than that, I hope that one day Microsoft will do something to allow Unix folks to be more comfortable on Windows because I honestly don't like anything about OS X and I'm looking forward to a time when Unix lovers will flock to some other brand of hardware and OS. Anything but Apple.

Load up a current 8.1 with classic shell (old menu), clover (explorer replacement), conemu (terminal replacement) and git extensions (which include gnu32 tools, bash, ssh etc) ... you can set bash to your default terminal in conemu even.

Works pretty well, if you need more, have a virtual or real linux machine running in the background and ssh to it for shell related bits. Or go farther into the rabbit hole with cygwin, but I don't find that I need that much myself, I have in the past though.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by tracker1 » Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 3:05 AM UTC

Numberwang wrote: post #98

melling wrote: post #80

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I'm a Mac user so I don't care too much. However, a lot of how Windows 10 will be perceived is from the online perception created. Most people in the world don't care about the little bugs, features, etc. They simply want to know if it's worth getting. If Windows 10 is reasonably good and tons of people upgrade from XP, for example, this will be a huge win for Microsoft and the entire community. If "reviewers" compla…

A reasonable Mac user... I don't like it. Too bad they could not include free xp upgrades as well

Tell that to someone who spent $5k on the last PPC generation Mac Pro...

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by tracker1 » Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 3:20 AM UTC

baldfat wrote: post #66

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #13

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Hmm it seems difficult to find statistics that separate desktop boxes from laptops (I see separation of desktop and laptop va ultraportable) but I think the trend is less desktops and more laptops. So I'm not entirely surprised. Honestly I constantly built my own towers for years but these past 3 or 4 years I haven't even booted a desktop tower; laptops are just so good nowadays and I can pick it up and go or dock it…

I like my keyboard and mouse with two screen that are there 100% of the time. Frsutrating that Firefox and Chrome boot slower than my phone and tablet! I will stop using a desktop computer when you pry the mechnical keyboard out of my cold dead hands. P.S. Never personally owned a laptop and only use one's provided by my work.

Not to detract, but are you booting on a hard disk or SSD.. the HTPC in my livingroom does a full reboot in about 12 seconds (ubuntu 15.04) and my desktop isn't much slower. Both of which are way faster than my 1+1 android phone.

I also prefer a mechanical keyboard, have my own at work as well... I hate when I'm on my rmbp, which is about as good as a laptop keyboard/touchpad interface gets...

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by tracker1 » Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 3:30 AM UTC

atap wrote: post #138

joshuapants wrote: post #45

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It is easily disabled and is only a feature in Ubuntu's Unity desktop. If you use a different version of Ubuntu (GNOME, Mate, KDE, whatever else they offer now) it won't be an issue.

Don't make excuses for something that's very obviously antithetical to very premise of Linux and free, open-source software.

Considering how many people liked google's desktop search widget, and similar, I'm not sure I agree... not to mention that seeing repository matches that aren't installed (yet) can be useful too. Not that most of those features require integrated online searches... but I can see how someone, even most casual users would prefer it that way.

Hell, look at how many people type in website addresses into their search box.