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Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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He was a product manager [1]. Before that, he worked as a finance guy [2]. He was not an engineer. [1] https://www.crunchbase.com/person/patrick-breitenbach [2] https://www.linkedin.com/in/pbreitenbach

Doxing is not allowed on Hacker News.

WTF? Posting public information is now considered doxxing?

You don't get much more public than a LinkedIn page.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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You're also making the assumption that if you're fine with it then so must everyone else. If we're to do all this assuming, then let's assume on the side of people's privacy.

How? I'm just saying it's not cut/dry. I'm not making any assumptions.

Your statement reads, to me admittedly, that since you put your public info out there that no one should care if someone else outs their info to the public. In context of the discussion.

But you can't dox yourself, in the usual meaning of the term.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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I heard this from Musk before, on first sight it makes sense. BUT - most current failures in cars are not components that are around for 100 years - these are usually fine if regular service is done. What fails miserably in new cars are all kinds of tech gimmicks that improve significantly with every new generation. The only exception might be turbo charged petrol engines, but they are around for a while too.

In my personal experience, what breaks on cars is run of the mill stuff that's been around for a long time, like tie rods, brake roters, the exhaust system, et cetera.

One of the more expensive and annoying repairs I had to have done was the end of my parking brake cable snapping off when I pushed on the pedal. A few cents of metal turned into many hundreds of dollars because the whole cable had to be replaced and it was routed stupidly requiring a lot of labor to disassemble and reassemble stuff. I dare say that cables and their attachments have been along much longer than 100 years.

Other mundane repairs include tie rods, exhaust system leaks, and premature brake rotor wear.

On the other hand, in a decade of car ownership (not a huge amount of time, to be sure) I never once had to repair anything relating to the newer features of the car like remote entry, computerized engine control, digital entertainment system, etc. Even on my 2005 GM, which was not the best year for that manufacturer, it was the boring, old, "proven" systems that needed attention.

I now own a Model S and my maintenance/repair worries are almost all about the boring mechanical bits. I already had a sunroof problem where it got jammed (fixed well and without hesitation under warranty, of course) and when I feel like worrying about stuff on the car breaking, I worry about the little motors for power seats or door handles failing, or the hardware that holds the wheels on starting to bend. The fancy systems like the autopilot stuff seem to have nothing that's likely to fail.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Didn't know stop and go was already deployed. I wonder how many people use such a system and thus how trusty it feels. I mean, it's kind of a large field-testing of self-driving car logic subset.

It took me a few days to "trust" the stop and go system. It is very disconcerting at first, especially since it tends to brake later than I normally would - I had to learn to "just let go" and now it feels very natural. With that being said, there are situations where I can clearly see traffic far ahead is stopped and I would need to slow down soon - in these cases the stop and go system doesn't react quite fast enou…

>in these cases the stop and go system doesn't react quite fast enough and

Wait... you, open an open road going full speed at a traffic jam, just sat back and tested if this was going to stop you in time? Without being sure it was going to work?

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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depreciating asset that's only major benefit over a $10k Honda Civic is as a status symbol. Some people think that driving is fun and think of having a car that is fun to drive as a major benefit.

A Fiesta ST for $22k would meet the "fun to drive" mark.

But let's say you want to hit multiple marks simultaneously.

I want:

- Comfortable for large people to sit in (I'm 190cm tall).

- Can carry a decent number of people (five being a minimum, more is better... this is why I rejected the Volt as my last car).

- Can carry a decent amount of cargo in addition to 5+ people (this is why I rejected the Ford C-MAX).

- Good fuel efficiency. Prius-level fuel efficiency at a minimum, pure electric is better.

- Good reliability. (Generally the case for most options out there these days, but still important.)

- Good crash safety.

- Fun to drive.

- Affordable.

I'm not too familiar with the Fiesta, but from what I know, it'll hit three of these (fun, reliable, affordable). My last car was a Prius v, which mostly hit all of them except for "fun" (comfort was a bit marginal, there was more than enough room but the seating position was a bit awkward for the driver). When I could afford it, I moved up to the Model S, which hits all marks except for "affordable," and hits most of them better: I can carry 7 people if two of them are small (and they usually are), fuel efficiency is way better, crash safety is among the best, and it's a ton of fun to drive.

It is insanely expensive, and I wish it were cheaper so more people could buy them. But to me, it's worth it.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Mentally it's less stressful to get behind another car and just let the computer control the speed and distance the whole way. You stop caring if they are going 55 or 77. I just sit there and listen to podcasts. I stay alert though, and I've avoided the urge to read or something.

It would be an interesting experiment to measure actual alertness and ability to react.... I would hazard that while you think you might be alert you're probably less so as because you're not actively driving your brain is not ready to react in the same way as if it's constantly processing while driving. Case in point - I've got two cars, our boring diesel daily driver and 380hp:600kg track day weapon which you reall…

I've been using radar cruise control for a few weeks now (waiting for lane keeping to come this summer as promised!) and I feel much more alert than without it. Obviously it could be an illusion, since the brain is really bad at evaluating itself, but it seems like I'm able to devote more attention to my surroundings and develop better situational awareness when I can stop worrying about the second-by-second job of keeping a safe distance from the car in front of me.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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How? I'm just saying it's not cut/dry. I'm not making any assumptions.

Your statement reads, to me admittedly, that since you put your public info out there that no one should care if someone else outs their info to the public. In context of the discussion. But you can't dox yourself, in the usual meaning of the term.

The point I'm trying to make is that 'ease of discovery' is indeed a relevant factor here, and furthermore in this specific case the user was citing his professional experience with a username that corresponds to his own.

I'd be willing to bet he's perfectly alright with someone posting his professional credentials on this site. I know I would be (and have, in fact).

So is it really doxxing at all, then?

This isn't a topic I'm all that passionate about, I just wanted to point out the differing opinion.

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Judging by the article, "under optimal conditions" is an exaggeration. There was no citation of problems during traffic conditions. My father sits through 2-4 hours of Los Angeles rush hour each day, and this is absolutely a game changer for someone like him. This is stellar.

This is solving the wrong problem. Car self-driving through 2-4 rush hours does not solve the problem. Not having 2-4 rush hours would.

I don't know how to solve the problem of having 2-4 rush hours. I do know how to solve the problem of having to manually manage my speed in traffic. It may be "the wrong problem" but it's a problem I face routinely, and a problem I'm delighted to solve for myself.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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There are already cars that have this feature, he should look into them. What Tesla is releasing at this stage brings absolutely nothing new to the table.

That's probably why he is promising such a short timeframe to release.

And it's also why I'm baffled at all the people talking about how crazy Musk is and how they wish he'd stop promising the moon. This is cool stuff but it is not a moon shot.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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It's not likely that this "autopilot mode" is close to the state of the art. See for example what kind of technique Audi has put into their prototype A7: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1029470_autonomous-audi-a... I can't believe Tesla has all these sensor already build in. Plus Audi, Mercedes, etc. have all enormous experience in vehicle dynamics, which is critical in handeling automatic reactions like full brak…

You're right that "autopilot" isn't the state of the art anymore. It's just radar cruise control and automatic lane keeping. The radar cruise control feature is already available in the Model S, and has been for a couple of months. Lane keeping is the missing piece. You can buy cars right now with automatic lane keeping, and Tesla has demoed it extensively in their cars, so there's no real doubt about it coming soon to Tesla.

Three months is "hilarious" for a feature that's already been commercialized by others and has been shown to be nearly done in Tesla's implementation? How do you figure?

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