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Going to mootsico, I imagine.
mootxico
4chan ruined my life.
The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan
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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "My guess is because 4chan was being used as an organizing nexus for a bunch of people widely seen as abusive and misogynist, and he just no longer wanted the headache." If I operated 4chan and wanted to get the racists out of my hair, the last thing I'd do is ban mention of other sites they could go to besides 4chan. If mentioning 8chan gets them to leave 4chan for 8chan, then that's a win for me, right? My guess…
> "If I operated 4chan and wanted to get the racists out of my hair, the last thing I'd do is ban mention of other sites they could go to besides 4chan. If mentioning 8chan gets them to leave 4chan for 8chan, then that's a win for me, right?" That's what ended up happening though. By barring discussion of GamerGate and 8chan, its supporters wound up on 8chan. After all, the really toxic GamerGaters were already well-…
You suppose that banning discussion of 8chan actually drove adoption of 8chan, which might be true. Was that really what moot was banking on though? That seems like an unlikely bet.
If I were moot and if I had wanted to get rid of these people, I would have flat out told them to go to 8chan. The "really toxic GamerGaters on twitter" likely comprise a minority of the people I would want to get rid of (I assume in all movements there is a silent majority. Most people who think something are too lazy to actually go out and talk about it), and the common mode of communication between all people who use my hypothetical site is my site.
Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan
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>GamerGate has, as a movement, systematically refused to decry the harassment or take any kind of practical steps to curb it As somebody that has watched GG from the outside out of fascination, I don't think this point is true and I think think it points to a broader problem online that I feel is becoming increasingly troubling - a failure to recognize that trolls are attracted to conflict and not necessarily represe…
Actually policing the movement and coming up with a coherent manifesto would be a good start . There's a lot more they'd have to do, but they've consistently refused to even consider trying it.
This is kind of what I mean. This seems like shifting goal posts to me. They had the whole harassment patrol thing on Twitter which I found sort of silly, personally, but I don't know how that would be described other than an effort of some sort. I certainly wouldn't call it an abject refusal to even try.
Like I said, I think it's a larger problem of shitty behavior on the internet in general, and I don't think anyone has a real solution at this point. I find it unfortunate that people use that behavior as an excuse to talk past each other.
Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan
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I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that actual calls to swat people have been deleted on that board. But, I can't say for sure because I don't hang out there, and the events of GamerGate have me applying a shakerfull of salt to any negative press surrounding 8chan. And as far as "incorrect", that is your opinion and it is your own, I have a differing one. I like the idea of a site where the admin has assured tha…
People who wish to discuss their neo-nazism can go open their own forum wherever they wish, at their own expense -- once the government stops them, we have a problem (assuming they're not actively violating any laws, etc). No one is obligated to host that content, and people who choose to host or continue to host that content are active participants in that behavior. Silence is not complicity -- knowing, and choosing…
Of course, no hosting provider would be obligated to take their money to host them, and any that did would presumably be seen as active participants in their behaviour if they continued to do so, and the same with upstream providers of internet connectivity. So unless someone is willing to take a stand and host that content even if they're seen as complicit for doing so, then no they can't open their own forum anywhere on the internet.
Which wouldn't be so bad if neo-Nazis were the only ones affected, but sadly they're one of the groups least likely to be driven off the internet this way.
Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan
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Discussion of Gamergate has been taken down in some form from every major communications platform other than (to my limited knowledge) 8chan and twitter. Facebook, Reddit, YouTube and 4chan have all removed content related to GamerGate
I would state this slightly differently: discussion considered to be abusive by the moderators/admins of their sites has been taken down in some form from every major communications platform. In some cases, that discussion involves GamerGate. It is possible to construct a conspiracy theory in which GamerGate is being censored, but given the existence of (say) http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/ , it's hard for me…
The existence of KiA doesn't prove that GG isn't being censored. It's containment, you can't talk about GG in any normal subreddit like /r/games or /r/gaming.
That and KiA was recently threatened a ban from the admins for their boycott campaigns against companies. Admins have said that you cannot link to a public representative of a company as it would constitute doxing.
Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan
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No, they're primarily picking fights with individuals and systematically distracting everyone from the actual corruption of monied interests. Every so-called ethics issue that GamerGate has highlighted has been a hugely overblown misinterpretation, while several major ethical issues, such as the attempt to tightly control what YouTubers could and could not say about Shadows of Mordor, were ignored by GamerGate. Major…
What concrete evidence have you for GG killing dogs, SWATing and bomb threats?
I specifically said celebrating those things; Brianna Wu's dog died of natural causes. It's immensely hard to tie the events to specific people, and by design GamerGate is too slippery to pin an individual's membership or non-membership. But there is undoubtedly involvement by people who solicit an association with the GamerGate movement.
If your anonymous imageboard thread gets regularly co-opted by trolls, maybe they're the real movement and you're the outsider.
Celebrating dogs dying: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/01/brianna-wu-dog_n_62...
http://www.dogster.com/the-scoop/brianna-wu-dog-dies-gamerga...
SWATing: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/13/gamergate-...
http://gawker.com/8channers-sent-cops-to-wrong-house-in-atte...
https://storify.com/a_man_in_black/baphomet
Bomb and Shooting Threats:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/technology/gamergate-women...
http://www.newsweek.com/feminist-video-game-critic-receives-...
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/anita-sarkeesian-forced-to...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/15...
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/17/anita-sarkeesian-gdc14-bo...
http://www.cnet.com/news/anita-sarkeesian-cancels-speech-in-...
https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/521072241673379840
http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/15/7551417/nightline-gamergate
http://zennistrad.tumblr.com/post/100805680213/analyzing-the...
Other GamerGate-related information:
http://ohdeargodbees.tumblr.com/post/107838639074/august-nev...
https://pixietalksgamergate.wordpress.com/gamergates-misconc...
https://storify.com/a_man_in_black/there-s-no-money-in-it
https://storify.com/a_man_in_black/gamergate-condones-harass...
https://storify.com/a_man_in_black/how-gamergate-harasses-vi...
https://storify.com/a_man_in_black/why-i-still-oppose-gamerg...
https://storify.com/a_man_in_black/actually-gamergate-is-abo...
http://blip.tv/foldablehuman/s4e7-gamergate-7071206
http://www.zenofdesign.com/gamergate-hits-rock-bottom-keeps-...
Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan
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there was no "initial scandal"
The initial scandal was that Nathan Grayson had been friends with the relatively unknown developer of Depression Quest for a long time, to the point of getting thanked in the credits of the game. He then plugged it, here: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/08/admission-quest-v... And also covered her here: http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-we... ...without disclosing the relationship. Whi…
Exactly: no scandal.
Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
The initial scandal was that Nathan Grayson had been friends with the relatively unknown developer of Depression Quest for a long time, to the point of getting thanked in the credits of the game. He then plugged it, here: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/08/admission-quest-v... And also covered her here: http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-we... ...without disclosing the relationship. Whi…
The initial scandal was Zoe Quinn's ex posting a long rambling screed about his breakup, designed to get people to attack her. http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-man-who-sparked-...
Direct link: https://thezoepost.wordpress.com/ Yes, this is what first implicated Grayson. I'd say its primary purpose was to get people to avoid her, but any interested parties can read the whole thing.
Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan
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>No, really, gamergate supporters like Milo Yiannopoulos have also been doxxed I don't think someone searching his twitter feed for a phone number he himself posted for self promotion falls under the same category as taking selfies outside someone's place of work. >The drunk driving analogy is stupid because the benefits that cars provide to society outweigh the negatives of drunk drivers, but there is no good reason…
He posted his number privately in order to facilitate an interview regarding the topic at hand. I'd argue publishing that is far more egregious than taking a selfie outside someones publicly listed place of work. Either way they are both shitty behaviours, don't really think we need to take a one vs the other.
I think the implied threat to personal safety is more jarring than obnoxious phone calls, but this is so far off topic it belongs elsewhere.
The kinds of harassment we've seen come out of one man's personal crusade against an ex-girlfriend are disgusting, and it's incumbent upon all of us to discourage it.
Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan
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Would you care to elaborate on this further? The number of people who disagree with GamerGate, who are willing to deeply go into their reasons why, is very very tiny in my experience. Usually all you get is "gamergate is about harassing women", a link to an instance where trolls have done precisely that, and nothing further. Absolutely nothing to directly rebut the constant refrain that most people in the movement ar…
No, they're primarily picking fights with individuals and systematically distracting everyone from the actual corruption of monied interests. Every so-called ethics issue that GamerGate has highlighted has been a hugely overblown misinterpretation, while several major ethical issues, such as the attempt to tightly control what YouTubers could and could not say about Shadows of Mordor, were ignored by GamerGate. Major…
You know what's really funny? If it really was about three specific women, as you say, then misogyny is automatically ruled out. What is it? Hate of three "specific" women? Or is it hate of all women? Hahaha, you lot are your own worst enemy. BTW we just disagree with them but apparently that is hate these days.