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Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by jcarreiro »

pistle wrote: post #200
xgbi wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, well, it doesn't compare at all. You're talking about a filter coffee machine whereas Keurig sells an espresso machine. Your filter doesn't put out the same coffee as an espresso machine; there's pressure involved, temperature, etc.. Your coffee will be "longer" (more water) and contain way more caffeine. You also won't ever be able to produce the foam and taste of an espresso with a filter machine. I'm not say…

This is how someone can sell a Keurig machine. That's not espresso and the coffee is a poor value. Seriously folks, is it that hard to make your own coffee that's better than these things?

The convenience is hard to beat. I recently switched from a drip coffee maker to a Keurig, and I love it. My wife and I don't drink much coffee and so making 12 cups is a huge waste, we end up throwing away 3/4 of the pot. I also leave for work fairly early (and I don't have a lot of time to spend making coffee in the morning) and so being able to put a pod in the Keurig and get decent coffee out of it a minute or two later is really nice.

I can't agree with their attempt to use "DRM" to prevent users from buying pods from independent vendors (and arguments that they need to "control the experience" so that users don't buy low quality pods and get poor coffee ring hollow to me) but the machine itself is great.

Fortunately, their efforts to control the k-cup market seem doomed to failure in any case.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by digi_owl »

josteink wrote: post #187

Discussing "licensing" in a thread about coffee. Fuck. This is not what the future was supposed to be about. The future was supposed to bring us infinite possibilities through the means of technology. It was meant to be awesome. It was not meant to be artificially limited through the means of technology which could have been used to make our lives better instead. Where did we go wrong?

Matter energy conversion didn't happen...

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by [deleted] »

bashinator wrote: post #129
InclinedPlane wrote: post #121

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This might be relevant to you: http://kohilabs.com/kohi-filter-for-aeropress/

I actually have tried both metal and paper filters, and really prefer the paper ones! I think you end up with a bit less oil in the coffee, which I just happen to like better.

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Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by michael_h »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #111
bashinator wrote: post #53

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Can I recommend an Aeropress? It's only a little more work than a Keurig (about the same as a french press), and makes some of the best coffee I've ever had. It's also $25, and has no moving parts or electrical components.

I also have an Aeropress and Lido hand grinder on my desk. We have hot water taps at work, and hand-grinding enough to make a cup takes about 30 seconds: http://www.oehandgrinders.com Much better quality than anything that comes out of a Keurig at comparable up-front costs and much lower recurring costs (just buy whole beans) plus a virtually limitless selection of coffee. There's a company making reusable metal filt…

The metal filters do not filter out cafestol, which may raise LDL cholesterol.

You can reuse the good aeropress paper filters as well (peel off before puck ejection, rinse and let it dry for a few minutes, then store with the press). I use each one five or six times, which puts me at about $1.50 worth of filters per year.

Thanks for the Lido grinder suggestion, I had been looking for one.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by anizan »

striking wrote: post #218
mwti wrote: post #43

My Keurig's electronics died and I was able to recreate them with an Arudino: http://i.imgur.com/1wWxu37.jpg With this I can customize the temperature and use PWM on the pump to adjust pressure/flow. :D If I had to use that 2.0 model I'd just lobotomize it right out of the box.

If you hook up Ethernet to the Arduino, you might be able to get the first implementation of https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324 !

Good old days of reading RFCs. Thanks for remembering this.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by michael_h »

shoover wrote: post #206
cpenner461 wrote: post #96

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I love my Aeropress, but an arguably even simpler option is something like the Hario V60 ( http://www.amazon.com/Hario-V60/dp/B000P4D5HG/ ). $19, and no plastic if that matters to you. I think the filters probably cost you a bit more than the Aeropress. IMHO you should have several different coffee brewing methods at your disposal :-)

Right. I've been using the Aeropress for about seven years. To this day I still use it every week, if not every day. I think the plunger is starting to go. The point is it makes great coffee, and I've convinced many friends and family to buy one, but now I caution people that while it probably makes the best single serving coffee in a $25 package, it's not perfect. Basically there are a lot of parts and you're workin…

If the rubber plunger is starting to feel "gummy" around the edge, you might be able to get a replacement for free. They had a problem for a while and were shipping out replacement parts no questions asked.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by Someone1234 »

digi_owl wrote: post #222
josteink wrote: post #187

Discussing "licensing" in a thread about coffee. Fuck. This is not what the future was supposed to be about. The future was supposed to bring us infinite possibilities through the means of technology. It was meant to be awesome. It was not meant to be artificially limited through the means of technology which could have been used to make our lives better instead. Where did we go wrong?

Matter energy conversion didn't happen...

And if/when it does you totally know you'll pay a licence fee for each "pattern" you materialise.

I mean people pay over $1 for a Christmas card and the justification for that is "someone has to come up with the designs!"

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by kcmarshall »

DanBC wrote: post #191
josteink wrote: post #187

Discussing "licensing" in a thread about coffee. Fuck. This is not what the future was supposed to be about. The future was supposed to bring us infinite possibilities through the means of technology. It was meant to be awesome. It was not meant to be artificially limited through the means of technology which could have been used to make our lives better instead. Where did we go wrong?

"The Calorie Man" (short story by Paulo Bacigalupi) is about licenced crops and agribusiness. It'd be neat to read something similar about domestic DRM. http://www.nightshadebooks.com/Downloads/WindupStories.pdf

All of the stories in Bacigalupi's _The_Windup_Girl_ universe contain sub-plots about the 'Calorie Cartels' based in Iowa. Really good reading for a near-apocalyptic vision of a post-Oil, mid-climate crisis world. Full-on Trigger Warning for some of the sexual content in _The_Windup_Girl_ though.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by kaonashi »

abandonliberty wrote: post #79
munificent wrote: post #36

One way to look at the razors and blades business model that Keurig is doing here is like so: 1. The consumer purphases product A (here the coffee maker) on the normal consumer market we're all familiar with. 2. Doing so forces the consumer to purchase product B (here K-cups) on a different market. Keurig's goal is to control the second market. By making having all the market power, they can jack up prices to the con…

Loss-leader market models don't HAVE to abuse customers. We're just not comfortable with licensing vs ownership arrangements. Often market forces put us here. Locked, subsidized cell phones with contracts or DRM printers are sold to get people into the market; they wouldn't buy it at full rate. I don't want to be part of that deal so I buy the unlocked cell phone and DRM-free coffee machine. The alternative is very n…

That's the entire point: to hide pricing information from consumers in an attempt to trick them.
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