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That's what XMPP is already doing.
Does XMPP support video? Edit: yes. https://xkcd.com/927/ is the kind of situation we need to avoid.
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Not in my experience - I've been to several companies using Skype as the primary in-office communication tool and I find it really annoying. Skype is resource-heavy, poor on features and keeps breaking on Linux (management uses Windows, so it doesn't care, but I'm a dev...). I personally refused to use Skype this time (after it kept repeatedly failing on my Ubuntu machine) and made everyone send an e-mail or write me…
I find it more surprising that you'll allowed to use FB for work.
To contact everyone I know I need: * Skype * XMPP * Hangouts * AIM * YIM * SMS * Facebook * IRC * Viber (which I don't use, because yet another client was too much when all these people had other clients anyway). Another client is just a no go at this stage. I'm still annoyed at Skype blocking both multiple network IM clients I used (imo first, then when they dropped the whole "multiple network" part, IM+).
BTW: If you have XMPP anyway, you can use that for chat.facebook.com. Shame with Hangouts. But everyone wants their golden silo, I guess.
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Not very mobile friendly .. in what way? The limitations I know of are 'fixed' with decent/recent clients (Stream Management comes to mind). Care to elaborate?
Poor offline messaging support. As a consequence practically, poor battery life management.
What's poor about it? I'm genuinely interested - not to convince you that you're wrong but to check if I missed a gotcha in my setup here. So far .. I don't see an issue. I could complain about missing features/XEPs that I'd love to have and cannot right now, but .. chatting should work just fine.
That said, you DO want Stream Management.
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One hint of whether that they've poorly implemented it is that they didn't care to choose a preexisting algorithm, or they chose a preexisting algorithm with known weaknesses, or that they chose an algorithm with fiddly parameters without addressing that. I'm much more likely to trust if various indicators suggest they're being sane, reasonable and knowledgeable.
Well, they can quote the most advanced encryption algorithm, but you still can't be sure if they have really used it unless they share their code. Bottomline: You either trust them or you don't. One reason for them not sharing the details could be that they want the potential hackers to keep guessing rather than making their life easier (No encrytion is foolproof)
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One hint of whether that they've poorly implemented it is that they didn't care to choose a preexisting algorithm, or they chose a preexisting algorithm with known weaknesses, or that they chose an algorithm with fiddly parameters without addressing that. I'm much more likely to trust if various indicators suggest they're being sane, reasonable and knowledgeable.
Well, they can quote the most advanced encryption algorithm, but you still can't be sure if they have really used it unless they share their code. Bottomline: You either trust them or you don't. One reason for them not sharing the details could be that they want the potential hackers to keep guessing rather than making their life easier (No encrytion is foolproof)
That's not true at all. Trust isn't blind faith. Their choice of algorithm, and other factors they can disclose tells a lot about their understanding.
"One reason for them not sharing the details could be that they want the potential hackers to keep guessing rather than making their life easier (No encrytion is foolproof)"
This is security by obscurity, an example of a poor choice. Overall, your statement says more about your lack of understanding of software security than anything else; as their statements can about theirs.
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Exactly. Right now, I have installed on my phone: * Standard text messaging app, for almost everyone. * Google Hangouts, which is a pain to remove and always logs in behind my back. I don't want to chat on my phone, it's just a nuisance. (I wish people would stop talking to me through Hangouts, honestly) * Viber, with a single contact. * LINE, with a single contact. I don't have WhatsApp or Snapchat or whatever, but…
It's a shame that XMPP didn't save us from this situation. My hunch is that the baseline featureset over federation was too low: no federated medsage history; MUCs are single point of failures. We're trying to fix this with Matrix.org - folks frustrated with yet another communication silo might want to check it out and help us tear down the walls between these gardens. (obvious disclaimer: i help run matrix.org)
If you want to make this thing really everywhere, then imho priority numbero 1 should be to rely on libraries that work everywhere - not just the latest version of a select few OSes. It'll be easier to maintain in the future as well.
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> We've moved from irc, to ICQ, to Microsoft Messenger, to ..., to Skype, to (what's hot now) You forgot Hangouts, which works on Android, iOS, and the desktop. It supports text, voice, and video, just like Wire. Its only negative from my personal viewpoint is no Windows Phone support, but that OS is the punchline of many jokes these days. There's also Slack for businesses, non-profits, and private groups (my local I…
>You forgot Hangouts, which works on Android, iOS, and the desktop. It supports text, voice, and video, just like Wire. Its only negative from my personal viewpoint is no Windows Phone support, but that OS is the punchline of many jokes these days. Have you ever tried to start a Hangout with a non-technical user? It's a nightmare. I do remote tutoring. Skype is easy. Everyone has it, you add the username, and call. H…
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This is really all I want as well. There's tons of pretty messaging apps. Style isn't enough to sway me anymore - I want privacy. How hard is it to make a messaging app that makes encryption its #1 priority?
I've been following Tox with some interest. It's fairly new but fully open source, decentralized, end-to-end encryption, no account needed (people added via their unique bytestring). https://tox.im/