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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by dunder »

jafaku wrote: post #196
exDM69 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My country has several stupid laws but there's very little I can do to change them (apart from voting). That doesn't make it OK for someone to run a dodgy "donations/tip/contribution" service, asking for money on my behalf. This could potentially cause problems for lots of people around the world (seems like UK has similar laws too). Stupid foreign laws don't go away by ignoring them. Running an international service…

What if upvoting your comments was also made illegal in your country? Should we somehow guess that and stop?

exDM69 has opted into usage of HN voluntarily.

People cannot opt out of the tip4commit service, it automatically opts you in.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by rdtsc »

teamhappy wrote: post #97
maxerickson wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your focus on the software and license (which continues in your clarification) is more a demonstration that you haven't understood the situation than it is disagreement with anything being discussed. The complaint is Please remove my repositories from the website and do not add a way to add them again. I do not value third party websites gameifying my projects , but where it says "repositories", it is not talking abo…

The reason I felt the need to explain the legal situation is that some people seem to think there's an objective right/wrong here and that's just not true. Furthermore, I believe the reaction to this issue is way over the top. The tip4commit people seem very well intentioned in that they created a website for people to donate to open source projects. They might be stubborn and adding the disclaimer might have taken a…

> The tip4commit people seem very well intentioned

Yeah, it seems after their response to the issue their intentions became a bit more clear, and they are as good you claim.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by [deleted] »

jafaku wrote: post #187
Frankeh wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As just one example of what drew me to Bitcoin, Bitcoin holds (or used to hold) such tremendous promise for the developing world, and to people who are shut out of traditional banking. Vastly overstated benefits. http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-133-t... First 20 minutes goes into detail on how useful Bitcoin really is in the developing world. In short, if you've got access to a data plan and a…

As someone who lives in Argentina, Bitcoin is extremely useful. I have a smartphone, but banks don't really want me. Not that I could benefit much from them anyway, since I'm not even allowed to make international wires, and I can't legally buy US dollars either to escape the 30% inflation we suffer here. It's crazy to see how much time you, a UK citizen who finds Bitcoin only useful for buying illegal drugs (by your…

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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by theonewolf »

Rune123 wrote: post #154
jnbiche wrote: post #119

These kinds of episodes are making me increasingly depressed. On one hand, I'm incredibly disappointed in the ethics and morality of some of the people who have latched on to Bitcoin. And sadly, I'd have to include tip4commit in that group, particularly since they are "opt-out" and yet have been spamming people after each commit [ubernostrum points out below that they aren't even "opt-out", since they're not honoring…

Your bitcoin contributions will be honored and recognized by whatever blockchain based system replaces it. Bitcoin might die, but the blockchain will never go away.

Everything always goes away, given a long enough timeline.

You might believe it will last your lifetime, and that is semi-reasonable given our short generational lifespans.

But I find it hard to believe in any engineered by human hands system claiming to last "forever."

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by yebyen »

nols wrote: post #207
jnbiche wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has lived in a "developing" country, I disagree. I'm talking about potential here, not the current situation. And a lot of the early failures of Bitcoin in developing countries were the result of overzealous Bitcoin supporters rushing into a developing country with no prior experience, and then running into some of the inevitable problems (e.g., no reliable electricity). If it's going to work in these…

How would bitcoin be better than the mobile phone banking that is already quite popular in many developing countries?

Are you joking? Just put some of your money in my wallet, I will keep it safe for you.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by theonewolf »

cookiecaper wrote: post #116
naringas wrote: post #27

in a nutshell they're refusing to implement a blacklisting mechanism and being stubborn about it.

Since the project is open source itself, I wonder if they'd accept a pull request that implemented a blacklist.

They actually claimed/stated that if you want these features, go code them yourself.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by bithive123 »

jafaku wrote: post #196
exDM69 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My country has several stupid laws but there's very little I can do to change them (apart from voting). That doesn't make it OK for someone to run a dodgy "donations/tip/contribution" service, asking for money on my behalf. This could potentially cause problems for lots of people around the world (seems like UK has similar laws too). Stupid foreign laws don't go away by ignoring them. Running an international service…

What if upvoting your comments was also made illegal in your country? Should we somehow guess that and stop?

Your stupid analogy aside, you can't expect to avoid consequences because you were operating without a knowledge of the law. Stand in front of a judge and ask him if you should have guessed that X was illegal and see how far that gets you.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by sejje »

ubernostrum wrote: post #145
randallsquared wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can there be taxation consequences unless you act to set up a bitcoin address and accept the offered tip? If you've done all that, I think it's clear you know what you're doing. If you don't do that, then the money (apparently?) returns to the project you committed to, from whence it came. The only way there could be tax is if you receive the money, and that can only happen by you deliberately becoming involved.

To take some examples: * In some countries it is illegal to opt someone into services they didn't ask for. * In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited emails about services. * In some countries it is illegal to accept or solicit donations without registering first with tax authorities. * In some countries it is illegal to suggest a financial relationship between yourself and another person/entity when no su…

Which one of those examples were "taxation consequences" when someone didn't accept the tip?

They sound like lots of issues the tip4commit people have to fix/solve/etc, but not the opted-in repo maintainers, which was the point of the GP.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by nitrogen »

jordigh wrote: post #192
JohnTHaller wrote: post #140

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The only reason HNers are pulling out the DMCA is because another project is (unethically or not) using their names to raise funds in a way that they do not permit. That has nothing to do with bitcoin. Like it or not, the pseudonymous (not anonymous) nature of bitcoin will always attract a high level of illegal and unethical activity. Many people will then use those activities, stories, and experiences to paint bitco…

> The only reason HNers are pulling out the DMCA is because another project is (unethically or not) using their names to raise funds in a way that they do not permit. And what does that have to do with the digital millenium copyright act? Using a name without permission in a way that can confuse consumers is a trademark violation, not a copyright violation. It's horrible that the DMCA has turned into a generic weapon…

Some open source licenses prohibit the use of the names of contributors to promote a derived product (e.g. 3-clause BSD). Violating that clause could terminate the license to distribute, then the DMCA could be used to stop the unauthorized distribution. Not a lawyer.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by exo762 »

ubernostrum wrote: post #145
randallsquared wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can there be taxation consequences unless you act to set up a bitcoin address and accept the offered tip? If you've done all that, I think it's clear you know what you're doing. If you don't do that, then the money (apparently?) returns to the project you committed to, from whence it came. The only way there could be tax is if you receive the money, and that can only happen by you deliberately becoming involved.

To take some examples: * In some countries it is illegal to opt someone into services they didn't ask for. * In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited emails about services. * In some countries it is illegal to accept or solicit donations without registering first with tax authorities. * In some countries it is illegal to suggest a financial relationship between yourself and another person/entity when no su…

    > In some countries it is illegal to opt someone into services they didn't ask for.
Nope. You are not a part of service unless you accept the tip.

    > In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited emails about services.
True that. This should probably be fixed.

    > In some countries it is illegal to accept or solicit donations without registering first with tax authorities.
Donation does not exist unless you accept that bitcoin. This is not a problem of tip4commit. It's a problem between country and it's tax resident.

    > In some countries it is illegal to suggest a financial relationship between yourself and another person/entity when no such relationship exists.
Once again. Relationship does not exist unless you've created it by accepting that tip. As for suggestion - they are only suggesting that you can create such relationship.

    > In some countries it is illegal to pay out to people without also filing tax documents to track the payment and provide the recipient with records they legally are required to keep.
PEBCATR - Problem exists between country and tax resident.

If those are really problems - you have problem with your gov and your laws, not bitcoin or tip4commit.

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