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Post by eevee »

zymhan wrote: post #206
CamperBob2 wrote: post #204

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Your wife can mandate health care when you are otherwise incapable. You have 7 wives. Who has final say. I do. In the contract. You get a divorce from one wife. What does she get? Whatever the contract says. Any other questions?

What contract? Are we going to have a standard contract specifying what you want to happen in every conceivable situation? Just imagine a some medical issues that could come up: kidney failure, liver failure, vegetative state, amputation, DNR, transplants, organ donation, etc. Any number of unimaginable situations could come up, which wouldn't be covered by a contract, and which a human being has to make a decision t…

Grep the US Code for "spouse", write a contract that covers those things?

> How do you handle loans? If I have 30k in debt, and I marry into a polygamous marriage, do the other spouses carry my debt?

I don't even know how this works with two people. I was under the impression that finances are separate unless you deliberately merge them, and that doing so is orthogonal to marriage.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by aestetix »

alextingle wrote: post #130
ZoFreX wrote: post #50

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> I can refuse to let you into my house if you won't show me your passport. If you don't have a passport, then I can just refuse to let you in no matter what. How does that change if I'm running a business? Or a web-site? Well, you would presumably be keeping some kind of record of my ID. Perhaps you write down my name, date of birth, and passport number. As a business, in the UK you would have to (amongst other obli…

I'm not sure the DPA needs to come into it. If a nightclub bouncer checks your ID, then he's free to forget all about it once he lets you inside. If all FB do is set an "ID checked" flag (and discard data collected as part of the checking process) then I think they'd be in a similar position - I'm not sure whether you could successfully argue that an "ID checked" flag could count as additional personal data. (Then ag…

Not necessarily. What happens if someone challenges Facebook on their flags? If you're a bouncer, you can hunt down the person who looks underage and re-check their ID. It's much harder to do that with something like Facebook.

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Post by erichocean »

_xeah wrote: post #214
gliese1337 wrote: post #198

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It does not, because the whole point of the abortion debate is that many people don't think that there is a human body with rights in the womb. The only thing that would 'solve' the abortion debate is clarifying the legal status of unborn fetuses as rights-bearing humans; clarifying the rights of humans without specifying who counts as human is pointless for this purpose.

I didn't want to start or get into a debate, but I'll bite for a second :) I have a really hard time understanding how some can claim that a body in one location is human, but that body in another location is non-human. How should it be classified? Is it even homo sapien or a different species (or no species)? Is a baby half delivered half human? The argument is really whether or not women have the right to kill that…

That's why we use the term "fetus". It's not a baby, and it's also not not human. It's in an intermediate category, which is the whole reason there is a debate at all.

IMO, both positions—the fetus is "my body" and I can do what I want with it—and—the fetus is a full human being, a person, like everyone else—are disingenuous. It's okay that a fetus be neither, and that we have special rules governing that situation. A fetus doesn't have to fit into pre-existing categories.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by rzt »

gailees wrote: post #60
frio wrote: post #42

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Maybe. This is rapidly becoming less true. I had to give a talk at a school the other day ("tech is cool, join the tech industry!") and the bulk of the students didn't have Facebook accounts -- because their parents are on it. Maybe that'll change when they reach a University age, but it was striking how few of them used it.

Instagram is taking over amongst young people.

Instagram is even taking over among people in the post-adolescent set. The engagement I see seems to be more vigorous, especially if you're dialed-in and you're making good/interesting photos.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

zymhan wrote: post #206
CamperBob2 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your wife can mandate health care when you are otherwise incapable. You have 7 wives. Who has final say. I do. In the contract. You get a divorce from one wife. What does she get? Whatever the contract says. Any other questions?

What contract? Are we going to have a standard contract specifying what you want to happen in every conceivable situation? Just imagine a some medical issues that could come up: kidney failure, liver failure, vegetative state, amputation, DNR, transplants, organ donation, etc. Any number of unimaginable situations could come up, which wouldn't be covered by a contract, and which a human being has to make a decision t…

What contract?

Exactly. That's the problem I have with marriage. So much for the rule against perpetuities, among other things.

Not all tricky legal issues can be covered with a "well let's just make a contract."

Sure they can. If one Fortune 500 company merges with another, the resulting contracts are thick enough to fill multiple heavy leather-bound volumes the size of major metropolitan telephone books. The lawyers are paid to think of everything that could go wrong.

So it's not debatable that an adequate legal framework for simple domestic partnerships can exist, it's just that for some reason, people don't bother.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by Amadou »

batuhanicoz wrote: post #106
Amadou wrote: post #90

How does Facebook intend to validate these government IDs? I'm pretty sure they can't. They want you to send a scan of some photo-id - that means that all the anti-tamper / anti-forgery tech that might be on the actual ID will be non-existent. If you are lying about who you are, it will take about 10 minutes in photoshop to come up with something that will pass their test. Are there any countries that even provide va…

Turkish Government has an API. You post all the info on the ID to it, and it returns true or false. You have to be a legal entity in Turkey to access it. (Edit: Correction, everyone can access it, and it doesn't require all the info anymore, just ID number, name and birthday. https://tckimlik.nvi.gov.tr/Service/KPSPublic.asmx?op=TCKiml... ) I'm guessing there are other countries that provides this?

just ID number, name and birthday.

Probably the hardest thing to get is someone's ID number, but it doesn't sound like that is a secret. If you do have those three things, you can look them up in this system and then photoshop a fake-id that will pass anything facebook can verify via that system too.

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Post by dragonwriter »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #225
zymhan wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What contract? Are we going to have a standard contract specifying what you want to happen in every conceivable situation? Just imagine a some medical issues that could come up: kidney failure, liver failure, vegetative state, amputation, DNR, transplants, organ donation, etc. Any number of unimaginable situations could come up, which wouldn't be covered by a contract, and which a human being has to make a decision t…

What contract? Exactly. That's the problem I have with marriage. So much for the rule against perpetuities, among other things. Not all tricky legal issues can be covered with a "well let's just make a contract." Sure they can. If one Fortune 500 company merges with another, the resulting contracts are thick enough to fill multiple heavy leather-bound volumes the size of major metropolitan telephone books. The lawyer…

> That's the problem I have with marriage. So much for the rule against perpetuities, among other things.

Since a marriage is always complete within the lifetime of a person living at the time it is formed, it has no problem with the rule against perpetuities.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #227
CamperBob2 wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What contract? Exactly. That's the problem I have with marriage. So much for the rule against perpetuities, among other things. Not all tricky legal issues can be covered with a "well let's just make a contract." Sure they can. If one Fortune 500 company merges with another, the resulting contracts are thick enough to fill multiple heavy leather-bound volumes the size of major metropolitan telephone books. The lawyer…

> That's the problem I have with marriage. So much for the rule against perpetuities, among other things. Since a marriage is always complete within the lifetime of a person living at the time it is formed, it has no problem with the rule against perpetuities.

Really? So I can sign a contract to work for you for the rest of my life, and no judge will blink at it?

To the best of my knowledge, only the institution of marriage and the Church of Scientology offer a deal like that.

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Post by dragonwriter »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #228
dragonwriter wrote: post #227

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> That's the problem I have with marriage. So much for the rule against perpetuities, among other things. Since a marriage is always complete within the lifetime of a person living at the time it is formed, it has no problem with the rule against perpetuities.

Really? So I can sign a contract to work for you for the rest of my life, and no judge will blink at it? To the best of my knowledge, only the institution of marriage and the Church of Scientology offer a deal like that.

> Really? So I can sign a contract to work for you for the rest of my life, and no judge will blink at it?

A judge might blink at it, but not because of the Rule Against Perpetuities, which, generally, requires that a valid interest must vest within 21 years after the death of some person alive at the time the interest was formed.

A contract in which all obligations are complete at the end of any life in existence at the time the contract is formed may be invalid for any of a variety of reasons, but the Rule Against Perpetuities isn't one of them.

> To the best of my knowledge, only the institution of marriage and the Church of Scientology offer a deal like that.

Contracts granting life interests in real estate, which are also valid under the rule against perpetuities and were quite common when the rule first came into existence also involve commitments of similar duration. Commitments that last the length of a particular life (of a long fixed period of time, like 99 years) are not at all uncommon in contracts.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by eruditely »

res0nat0r wrote: post #180
sneak wrote: post #102

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> Nobody invites anyone to anything without creating a Facebook event. > If I suddenly leave Facebook I am certain I'll also lose out on a lot of social life. This. You can't expect people to set up and populate their own mailing lists to notify everybody they want to invite to their birthday party or share news of their engagement. I hate it too, but the reality is that being off facebook means losing touch with peo…

Sounds like the friends you are talking about really don't care about you that much. I wouldn't consider them friends.

Oh please, let him decide that.
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