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My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me

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Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me

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Post by lostlogin »

epmatsw wrote: post #203
mayurpipaliya wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

which are those two google products you are still using?

If I had to guess, Maps and GMail. I've been trying to get rid of Google as well, and there aren't really any good alternatives to Maps and changing email addresses is a hassle.

Gmail is used as a dumping ground - its basically a backup for my @me/@ucloud accounts. I do find it harder to track down old emails, but way easier to send new and receive new ones - the use of symbols and random changes google makes to gmail are irritating. The other is (off all things) blogger. I have a huge collection of years of work related problems and solutions. This will be moved soon. Maps I don't really miss at all - where I am Apples are just as good for my occasional needs.

Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me

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Post by lostlogin »

madsravn wrote: post #208
lostlogin wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I for one have started shedding the Google products. Im slowly switching to alternatives. I find Google creepy company and don't like being sold. I have 2 products left to drop.

"[I] don't like being sold." Are you serious? They are giving you a free and awesome product and you find it annoying that they earn money marketing to you personally? But not annoyed enough to completely stop using their products....

I hate adverts so very very much. If prefer to pay google money than have them. And targeting adverts when in gmail is not right. Which products are awesome that don't have a pretty-damn-close competitor? I'd say that search was the only one. Advertising's reach, continual harassment and unrealistic offerings turn me right off.

Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me

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Post by lostlogin »

FN0rdique wrote: post #212
madsravn wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"[I] don't like being sold." Are you serious? They are giving you a free and awesome product and you find it annoying that they earn money marketing to you personally? But not annoyed enough to completely stop using their products....

Three things: 1.) Not everybody thinks Google's products are so all-fired awesome across the board. 2.) Plenty of people find it very annoying to constantly be targeted by marketing everywhere they go. If it's free, you're the product - though that's not to say that simply paying for something protects you from abuse. 3.) Having a dig at someone for complaining about something but still using it is silly. Even if a g…

This is a better response that mine. I'll add to 1) by commenting that UI design is often unfriendly. It's better than it used to be but its not nice to use and looks ugly. It took several minutes for myself and someone else to find the forward button in gmail 2 days ago after the latest redesign hid it in a menu.

Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me

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Post by ttrreeww »

Osiris wrote: post #61
malgorithms wrote: post #8

I wish I knew someone who used Opera so I could ask them to start boycotting it.

I use Opera on the desktop and on my mobile devices. So does my wife. I'm not going to stop using it because of a lawsuit, let alone for one that has not had any facts proven in a court. I really don't understand why people who don't know the facts of cases like this (i.e., you don't have an inside knowledge of the nitty-gritty), jump to conclusions to readily. Aren't we supposed to be a community of rational, though…

I have stopped using Opera, in fact, I will now actively discourage it from being used by others.

Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me

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Post by Androidmeda »

eliasmacpherson wrote: post #169
magclock wrote: post #13

I think he meant to write "My company's former customer".

I hadn't thought of that. Not only do Opera's direct employees need to watch their steps - but contractors too. It's almost as if they want people to go in, collect their paychecks and offer up nothing above average.

Do Opera employees have to watch their steps to a greater degree than employees in other companies? I think that if you stole trade secrets from any other company and sold them to a competitor, they would sue you as well.

All you need to do to avoid being sued is to not sell trade secrets to competitors.

Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me

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Post by Androidmeda »

julianz wrote: post #156

Regardless of the facts in this case, this screams to me that Opera is fucked, they know it, and will grab anything they can on the way down. What other conclusion could you possibly draw?

It just so happens that Opera announced the financial results for the 1st quarter today:

http://www.newsweb.no/newsweb/search.do?messageId=326699

At the same time, they published a report on usage of their mobile browsers:

http://business.opera.com/smw/2013/03/

Record profits and revenues, and 20 million new users from February to March. Doesn't exactly look like a company in trouble to me.

But maybe you know something I don't.

Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me

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Post by Androidmeda »

kriro wrote: post #190

Do providers of other browsers that use tabs have some sort of licensing deal with Opera? Seems like they are suing over trade secrets based on Firefox tabs? Why are they suing the guy and not Mozilla, why are there no lawsuits against other companies that provide browsers? Feels like a FU-cause-we-can type of deal.

> Why are they suing the guy and not Mozilla, why are there no lawsuits against other companies that provide browsers?

Probably because this isn't about features that already exist, but about features that Opera was working on and hadn't even made public yet. And this guy sold them to Mozilla or something.

Opera never had problems with other browsers copying them once the features were actually out, but in this case Opera's secret features were sold to Mozilla before Opera even had a version of their own.

Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me

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Post by Tomis02 »

smiddereens wrote: post #216
Tomis02 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually Opera's software the one that sucks the least in the browser market. Sorry.

I've tried to get into Opera every year for over the past decade. While I admit that they introduced many innovative features, they could never get them "right" and their UI was always ugly and unpleasant to work with. If anything Opera should be suing this guy for that.

What of the UI? It's the most customizable UI in a browser. You have skins, themes, any element can be placed anywhere/hidden. What's the problem?

Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me

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Post by Androidmeda »

nly wrote: post #65

I find it interesting that Opera are trying to claw back revenue on old innovations while seemingly stagnating. The rendering engine they're dumping in favour of WebKit is fast and slick. The number of new user visible features and the rate of releases has seemed sluggish to me for what must be 4 or 5 years.

What old innovations are they trying to claw back revenue from? Wasn't the disputed object actually a fairly new innovation?
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