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Re: Tesla Model S Sales Exceed Target

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When you exceed your sales target, the thing you did was set your target incorrectly. It's great that they're selling lots of cars, but "exceeded the target" is a wholly artificial accomplishment.

Especially since the penalty for missing your target is so great.

Re: Tesla Model S Sales Exceed Target

#222

I love how this readership is spending all of its cycles discussing whether or not the software hack which will allow Tesla to ship a car they aren't going to build. Rather than the fact that they actually surpassed their production goals and have, for the moment, proven a lot of people wrong. People who were held up as the experts in what it takes to create a new car that people will buy and what won't cut it. So th…

Hacker News is more focused on the technical hacks than on the business side? Well, I never!

True, but they is also interest in technology businesses that make money and people who say things the 'mainstream' doesn't believe but they believe passionately. Those latter aspects of the announcement haven't gotten a lot of air time :-)

Re: Tesla Model S Sales Exceed Target

#223

Tesla is now running at $1.5 billion+ annually, and growing.

It is ? For 2012 they had revenue of $413 million at a loss of $396 million.

Taligent, I'm replying here to let you know I think you were hellbanned. This was the last non-dead comment from you.

Re: Tesla Model S Sales Exceed Target

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I love how this readership is spending all of its cycles discussing whether or not the software hack which will allow Tesla to ship a car they aren't going to build. Rather than the fact that they actually surpassed their production goals and have, for the moment, proven a lot of people wrong. People who were held up as the experts in what it takes to create a new car that people will buy and what won't cut it. So th…

I bought it at 26$ last september. Unloaded about half today at 44$..

If I goes lower, say mid thirties, I will buy more.. We might be seeing the car company of the next decade or 2 in the makeing, and right now, its not really selling at a premium. (The stock, not the cars..)

Re: Tesla Model S Sales Exceed Target

#225
I see Tesla's future as a race between saturating the market for an $X car versus reducing the value of X (i.e. producing less expensive cars), thus enlarging their potential market. It'll be interesting to see which way that goes. Speaking for myself, they're still over the price I'm willing to pay for a car by about a factor of 2.

Re: Tesla Model S Sales Exceed Target

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have Tesla deliveries to Norway started? Have you seen a Model S in Oslo yet?

European production in June, and deliveries in July: http://www.teslamotors.com/fr_FR/about/press/releases/tesla-...

Two ignorant questions:

1) Does "production in June" probably mean that the factories become operational in June?

2) If so, is 1-2 months a normal amount of time for producing a car? How does it compare to the amount of time needed for other types of cars?

Re: Tesla Model S Sales Exceed Target

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the other way round. I consider it good engineering (why waste an entirely separate production process to make a lower-grade version, when most of it can be shared?), but people are irrationally led to believe they are entitled to the full thing, just because it's potentially there. Proof of this is that if no one told you, you would not even suspect anything at all. If you want to "unlock" your car to get that…

This is not about entitlement, and destroying value is not a wise thing to do for short term economic gains. I think it's pretty obvious and intuitive that even in CPUs, this kind of design is a failure of imagination and exploitative to the market, both supply and demand. I couldn't say that it's something to make illegal in this exact execution, but the same actions could be a huge negative PR hit in different circ…

It would have not cost anyone more ink or paper to make this 1$ bill into a 100$ bill, and I would have been happier if that were the case, oh why is everyone in the world so against me? In other words, the process that leads to the production of a good or service is not what you pay for, what you pay for is the end product: if you pay for a battery with a capacity of 40kWh, that's what you get, and if you have the option of increasing its capacity later on, well even better! Or, you can get the extra capacity from the beginning, perhaps with a small discount on top of it. Proof of this is that, if they didn't tell you (or you hacked the system), you wouldn't even know about the possibility of the increased capacity. Then if you find out, you feel entitled to that extra capacity, just because "it's there" and part of the thing you bought.

Re: Tesla Model S Sales Exceed Target

#228
post #38

So... are you legally allowed to have root on a $60k car you paid for? Can we replace "cell phones" with "cars" in this whitehouse statement? [1] The White House agrees with the 114,000+ of you who believe that consumers should be able to unlock their cell phones without risking criminal or other penalties. ps. it's ironic that a software limited battery like that is going to last a lot longer than unrestricted deple…

A better comparison would be to ask if American Airlines can have root on the umpteen million dollar Boeing airplane the paid for.

(The FAA says no.)

Re: Tesla Model S Sales Exceed Target

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post #102

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Isn't that shorter range what they pre-ordered/paid for?

It is. While the pricing model makes sense from a rational perspective, it just doesn't fit well with most people's emotions about fairness. When you get to the end of the charge on your 40kwh model, you know that the car is capable of 50% more - but you are not allowed to because you haven't paid Tesla an extra $10k. It's similar to airline pricing. It makes rational sense to sell early seats at lower cost, and incr…

That's never bothered me when flying.

Re: Tesla Model S Sales Exceed Target

#230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about entitlement, and destroying value is not a wise thing to do for short term economic gains. I think it's pretty obvious and intuitive that even in CPUs, this kind of design is a failure of imagination and exploitative to the market, both supply and demand. I couldn't say that it's something to make illegal in this exact execution, but the same actions could be a huge negative PR hit in different circ…

It would have not cost anyone more ink or paper to make this 1$ bill into a 100$ bill, and I would have been happier if that were the case, oh why is everyone in the world so against me? In other words, the process that leads to the production of a good or service is not what you pay for, what you pay for is the end product: if you pay for a battery with a capacity of 40kWh, that's what you get, and if you have the o…

I'm not sure you have a point here. You pretty much reasserted my point with your currency example. Last time I checked, currency isn't a free market.
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