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I feel like there was a time when gender politics wasn't so abrasive in computing. It wasn't healthy, but it didn't make you constantly feel mired in some swamp of unsolvable problems. I preferred the swamp of (un)solvable problems that is computing.
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Why is it such a problem, though? It is statistically unlikely that a woman is developer, so people react accordingly. Does it really hurt so much to say "no, I'm a developer"?
Yes, it makes the very demographic people are trying to reach out to the most feel very unwelcomed. It also means that many people never challenge their assumptions and the lady doesn't get to correct them.
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They said the same thing about flight attendants.
Yeah, and now look at them - all middle aged hags and gay dudes. At least first class seems to skew toward the younger and hotter (but still competent). ( Especially in Asian and Middle Eastern airlines where they haven't gone all PC yet.)
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> we have something that I'd call far worse in its subtlety: Using women for exactly the same purpose Let's get this straight: It's not a sin . Objectification is just a particular functional state. There is only a problem when there is a systemic imbalance that either consistently robs a particular group of agency. There is nothing inherently wrong with objectification. When you are being a spokesperson, you are vol…
I'm not sure if you're just adding your two cents, which is cool, or wherever you're trying to suggest that I made or agree with the assertion that objectification is a "sin." I do not, and never suggested as much, I simply stated that it was clearly happening.
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Monocle & a pocket watch aren't exactly fashion choices. I was hinting at "dress codes" as being more reflective of the 18th-early 19th century thinking and not quite so relevant in the 21st century and the Information Age. I was trying to be succinct.
Those two concepts aren't as separate as you want them to be. At the end of the day you're still suggesting a link between a mode of thinking and a mode of dress - while at the same time objecting to that link being drawn for yourself. You can't make a post complaining about people stereotyping engineers, while stereotyping "business types" in the same sentence.
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Yeah, and now look at them - all middle aged hags and gay dudes. At least first class seems to skew toward the younger and hotter (but still competent). ( Especially in Asian and Middle Eastern airlines where they haven't gone all PC yet.)
Because what you really need on an aircraft, is someone to leer at, who has been instructed to smile and be nice even when you're a sexist pig. Those were the days, huh?
But mens' nature being what it is, we can expect that most (straight) men would rather have a flight attendant who's more
female / younger / attractive
and less
male / older / unattractive.