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"Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by rxcfc »

adamnemecek wrote: post #210
rxcfc wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few Ember screencasts: https://peepcode.com/products/emberjs http://railscasts.com/episodes/408-ember-part-1 http://railscasts.com/episodes/410-ember-part-2 Unfortunately, both cost money at the moment but I've heard they're worth it.

Thanks, I'm aware of those. Nevertheless, three paid screencasts by third parties aimed mostly at beginners are not the same as a long-term effort made by the Ember team to make these videos and keep them up to date. IIRC, the Rails team was putting out like a video every month or so. This might be one of the things that made people aware of Rails since even non-Rails devs were aware of these videos and eventually, s…

Agreed, more screencasts would be wonderful. Unfortunately, we haven't had time for this yet. It's something we'd love to do if/when time permits.

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by phormat »

wycats wrote: post #80

I totally agree that our getting started story could be much better. In fact, it's our primary focus as we move towards 1.0. Specifically: * We're actively working on a Getting Started Guide with live examples that walks the user through building a new application from scratch. * We're continuing to improve our guides to talk through areas that might be confusing for new developers, like the naming conventions[1] we…

it would be great if you could help out more in irc. the noobs are asking pretty fundamental questions and not getting much help. i think it would help shape your guidelines as well to know about some of the problems on the front lines.

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by k3n »

joshstrange wrote: post #217
k3n wrote: post #147

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Although he's already replied to you, I wanted to point out that a refusal to respond to a post in no way indicates whether or not the communication has been received. In other words, he's not ignoring the feedback, he's just refusing to engage in discourse which he sees as already unproductive. Quite the opposite, he sympathizes with the OP to begin with, and so he most likely read it. He just doesn't want to engage…

With all due respect I don't think that this is what happened here. That's fine if he felt no need to help, to problem is when you go out of your way to let someone, someone who is trying to learn, that you think they aren't worth your time due to the tone of their post. I understand where the OP is coming from, the frustration at trying to learn something and constantly hitting roadblocks. Was he a little sarcastic?…

Good points, and you're probably correct.

However, to your last point, I can see how it'd be challenging to convey your stance that you won't allow uncivil discourse other than how he did so. If you go ahead and respond normally, you're just reinforcing the bad behavior, ergo it makes the "discourse must be civil" an empty promise/threat. Perhaps he could have replied, with a caveat that further uncivil posts would be ignored, but I can also see getting tired of that sort of behavior (and as a former forum mod, continually having to 'remind' people of the rules that they've already agreed to wears out really quickly).

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by nacs »

VeejayRampay wrote: post #200
patrickaljord wrote: post #39

Had a similar experience, then tried AngularJS. Couldn't be happier :) http://angularjs.org

I'm getting the feeling that Angular has now become the Haskell of client-side frameworks. i.e. the one you'll see shamelessly plugged under every single discussion about any other client-side framework as if it is some work of genius, even though lots of users tend to agree that it's just yet another take on the subject that some like better and some don't, with some very lacking and outdated documentation and a muc…

I don't think the parent post was suggesting anything of the sort. Instead of claiming to solve world hunger, it looks like AngularJS makes it possible to actually get started if you're new to this kind of framework.

I haven't tried Ember nor Angular yet (Ember because of a lack of documentation and Angular because I basically didn't hear much about it till today) but at this point, I'd use Angular simply because their website actually looks like it has a quickstart/tutorial that works.

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by Filligree »

knowtheory wrote: post #108
wycats wrote: post #95

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Totally agree. The OP posted at 4:05 a.m., when I was very much asleep. I've been a little bit less responsive this week in general as I've been participating in TAG[1] this week. I'm very sorry that our project came across as uncaring. [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/

Should anyone doubt it, wycats & the ember team certainly do care a great deal about their users. The Ember team and Backbone team have differing philosophies about client side development, but wycats, tomdale and the rest of the crew are smart guys trying to do the right thing.

At this point I'm familiar with Ember, but not Backbone. How do their philosophies differ?

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by modarts »

nacs wrote: post #224
VeejayRampay wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm getting the feeling that Angular has now become the Haskell of client-side frameworks. i.e. the one you'll see shamelessly plugged under every single discussion about any other client-side framework as if it is some work of genius, even though lots of users tend to agree that it's just yet another take on the subject that some like better and some don't, with some very lacking and outdated documentation and a muc…

I don't think the parent post was suggesting anything of the sort. Instead of claiming to solve world hunger, it looks like AngularJS makes it possible to actually get started if you're new to this kind of framework. I haven't tried Ember nor Angular yet (Ember because of a lack of documentation and Angular because I basically didn't hear much about it till today) but at this point, I'd use Angular simply because the…

I think he was making a greater point about how often Angular tends to pop up whenever this topic arises (which i've noticed a lot to my annoyance)

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by polshaw »

ef4 wrote: post #209

I'm going to offer some unsolicited advice. The constructive way to deal with a project that you find interesting but undocumented or otherwise unpolished is to attack . Attack the bugs one by one as you hit them. Go straight to the source and read, read, read. Ain't nobody got time for that? Ah, but grasshopper, it seems hugely difficult to you because you lack practice . If you get in the habit of attacking code li…

Why not put that effort into learning JS instead of fixing someone else's JS framework?

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by modarts »

dysoco wrote: post #190

Well damn, that's what you get for choosing something new and Bleeding Edge. People expect a lot of documentations, tutorials, good community and comercial support for something that was released a couple months ago...

The problem is the fact that the marketing copy on the site + the messaging by the contributors would lead one to assume that Ember is pretty well polished, stable and ready to build big things on top of -today-.
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