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OpenAI’s head of ethics leaves less than a year after joining

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Re: OpenAI’s head of ethics leaves less than a year after joining

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Theorizing the obvious? Wouldn’t that simply be that she job-hopped to a better job? It’s easy to theorize ad infinitum otherwise

What do you mean? She didn't job hop to a better job, that's the whole point. She very well could have gotten "let go".

eh, 50/50 chance of either, really

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I'm super confused as to why no one is theorizing the obvious...? Given none of us know the inner workings of why she left, why not resort to the most simple and straightforward conclusion: she left because OpenAI needed a scapegoat to blame the HuggingFace incident on. Given she is the chief "ethicist", even if not directly her fault, the HF incident could be directly blamed on her by not steering the implementation…

I still think that the whole HuggingFace thing was deliberate to signal to investors that their technology is powerful. Maybe she didn't want to be the face of that, or disagreed with their handling of it.

Or maybe, just maybe, there's another reason that CIA Director John Ratcliffe describes AGI as "akin to digital nuclear weapons." Unless of course you think the CIA is a branch of OpenAI's marketing department

Re: OpenAI’s head of ethics leaves less than a year after joining

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> Previously, she was chief ethicist at Meta. She spent 6 years at Meta. I get the sense there are other factors at play than "ethics departments are just PR stunts". There's no way she isn't already aware of that. Unfortunately, the article is light on any other details.

If "ethics departments are just PR stunts", then Bakalar would have been a terrible hire for OpenAI. Facebook's grudging and lacklustre response to their role in the Rohingya genocide would have happened mostly under her watch. While she was there, Meta went from being a company that lacks ethics to a company that lacks ethics and is widely perceived as lacking ethics. Perhaps she was the only person in the room raising ethical issues, but it's clear nobody at Meta listened to her if she was.

It's possible she came to view her role at Meta as having enabled the company to continue its bad behaviour and decided against doing the same thing at OpenAI. Alternatively, things at OpenAI could be so bad that an ethicist who stuck with Meta for 6 years decided she couldn't stay any longer. Either way, from a PR perspective, this is spherically awful for OpenAI.

This comes at a time when there is huge pushback against all AI companies due to, in large part, ethical concerns. As with Flock, there is the threat that physical infrastructure, such as data-centres, could be attacked if nothing is done to win back public opinion. OpenAI would be wise to take Bakalar's departure seriously.

Re: OpenAI’s head of ethics leaves less than a year after joining

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Or maybe Oracle.

Or X?

Ehh, I don't think Elon is a big fan of ethics. Especially in AI -- https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-ethical-ai-team/ -- which in retrospect, portended whatever's been happening with Grok.

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I'm super confused as to why no one is theorizing the obvious...? Given none of us know the inner workings of why she left, why not resort to the most simple and straightforward conclusion: she left because OpenAI needed a scapegoat to blame the HuggingFace incident on. Given she is the chief "ethicist", even if not directly her fault, the HF incident could be directly blamed on her by not steering the implementation…

What's "obvious" is she was chief ethicist at the most unethical companies on the planet - it's like being a lawyer for the mafia - doesn't inspire longevity, either via scapegoating or preservation of one's own sanity.

"The most unethical companies on the planet" - if you believe this maybe its time to log off for a bit.

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Rubber stamp for hire?

I'd accept a few hundred grand to reply to emails with "No, the torment nexus is a net benefit.."

That’s exactly the situation they found themselves in, and you are admitting you have no more spine and moral compass than them.

Or are you telling us in the hope someone makes you such an offer?

Re: OpenAI’s head of ethics leaves less than a year after joining

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What if you actually told us, instead of just asking a question? If you have something to say, say it. Don't vaguepost.

“When you have to shoot, shoot; don’t talk.” — Ugly

His name is Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez, a.k.a. “The Rat”.

Re: OpenAI’s head of ethics leaves less than a year after joining

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I doubt she and others left just because of this one incident. My guess is that OpenAI has been doing more and more domestic spying type work as well as more and more military work - target selection and the like. That's how the schoolhouse was blown up by a Tomahawk. An AI was fed old information, didn't realize or do proper validation, an analyst copy-pasted, then someone just punched the coordinates into the their…

The schoolhouse was an intentional target - the children of some military leaders went there. They triple-tapped the school hoping to kill parents going in to save the kids.

That doesn’t make much sense based on Irans own statements. Three Tomahawks yes. The strikes were reported as being in quick succession. 4 parents were reported as killed and 100+ kids and nearly 30 teachers. Basically it killed the teachers and little kids. No attempt at the responding parents like you incorrectly imply.
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