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Post by everforward »

ihumanable wrote: post #189
jmyeet wrote: post #143

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The US gained almost immeasurable power and influence by virtue of the 2 World Wars and being largely directly unaffected by those wars, whereas Europe was levelled, particularly by WW2. And that power came from selling weapons. The world order was reset after 1945 and designed largely by the US for the benefit of the US, particularly the financial system. People will often mistake cause and effect. A common one is t…

I think that's been the most baffling thing about the rise of MAGA. It was a global order built by the US to place the US in positions of power and privilege in every way imaginable. And the MAGA group looked at it and said "we are being taken advantage of! We have to spend a rounding error worth of money on food aid and Voice of America?! I don't want soft power, I want rock hard power!!!" They looked at a game with…

The outcome in Iran was obvious to anyone paying attention. We knew Iran would close the strait, but we also haven't truly won a guerrilla war yet. Vietnam went poorly, Afghanistan went poorly, we've only historically done well in the more economically-defined traditional wars where there's an obvious target to fling a billion dollars worth of arms at.

Iran isn't stupid, they know there's not much point in building massive arms factories to make complicated weapons. The factories will just get bombed, and the weapons will probably still be inferior. They can just sort of stand there, though. We don't have the appetite for a boots on the ground invasion, and even then they can just kind of wait til we leave and go right back to it. We don't really have a winning hand here without resorting to war crimes, and the costs of that vastly outweigh any successes. We'd be international pariahs to a degree that I don't think most Americans realize is possible.

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Post by mikestew »

muglug wrote: post #111
koe123 wrote: post #47

Curious: are there any republicans left on HN? I have no concept of how you can defend this

Not a Republican by any stretch of any imagination, but here’s my attempt at a steelman argument: I imagine these companies were already spending some amount on crawlers that would poll every N milliseconds to get an edge on some market-moving post. In turn I imagine Truth Social were also spending more serving this bot traffic. Truth Social making $1M a month from it — a rounding error in Trump’s fortunes — doesn’t…

Sometimes there isn’t a steelman argument for outright corruption, especially when the argument is, “meh, could be worse.”

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Post by browningstreet »

rubyfan wrote: post #15
Waterluvian wrote: post #13

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Or possibly ever again. Eras like this one can be what kills an empire/great power. I think one of the greater risks to a power like the U.S. is getting old enough where it's felt like things always were , and therefore always will be . When there is no-longer a grandparent at the dinner table who can even tell you when his grandparent at the dinner table spoke about the before times.

Right, the fact that the current administration had a 4 year hiatus only extended this period. Think about all the young people that grew up with this as normal.

I remember tales of how backwards and corrupt the Berlusconi government in Italy was. There was a sense that “over there” it was another world, a bad and sad and incorrigible one.

Most Americans wouldn’t remember that, and yet we pulled, and continue to pull, an epic Hold My Beer in comparison.

What would it take to get a Million Man March again? One that occupied the lawn?

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

koe123 wrote: post #47

Curious: are there any republicans left on HN? I have no concept of how you can defend this

I find all these people disgusting, but if you're curious I can repeat for you one of their dishonest responses. They said it's not really insider trading, because the people that benefit from this are already hitting the HTTP GETs over and over to get the news fast, instead what they're paying for is for getting the push notifications which is a good business practice from truth social, because serving push notifications when news exist is cheaper than responding to HTTP gets over and over.

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

antisthenes wrote: post #215
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #165

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It’s funny you bring up Union vs Confederacy, because Reconstruction should be a blueprint of what not to do. We’re still paying today for the failures of our forefathers to not have the bravery to stamp out the worst cultural elements of the Confederacy, let alone the extended century-long suffering of formerly enslaved peoples in what ranged from “separate but equal” to outright apartheid. So yes, it was very much…

> the Nuremberg trials are a fantastic blueprint for what to do, though. Some would argue that the Nuremberg trials did not go nearly far enough, as there should also have been similar trials in all countries that collaborated with that regime during the course of the war. That's why you see far-right parties nowadays spring up again and start to grain more influence. It could have been stomped out well enough.

I agree, much of the Balkan suffering from the latter half of the 20th century could have been curtailed by properly stamping out ultranationalist groups as a punishment for their ethnic cleansing. The Ustaše, for example.

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #163
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #148

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I think the whole “empire collapsing” is a bit of a dramatized phrasing, though historians can correct me. I think it’s much more death by a thousand cuts, and the UK is a great analogue in that regard. Look at Brexit, for example. Or Black Wednesday, from which the US’s esteemed Treasury Secretary profited handsomely. The UK’s decline has taken centuries, though, and there are many events that one can point to. I th…

> I think the whole “empire collapsing” is a bit of a dramatized phrasing, though historians can correct me. I think it’s much more death by a thousand cuts, and the UK is a great analogue in that regard. Didn't the UK's empire notably collapse quite rapidly?

Did the US? I would argue it’s been going on for 80 years, in tandem with the rise of the military industrial complex. Go back much further than that, though, and the argument starts leaking into whether the US was ever great to begin with (assuming “great” = “empire”, loosely).

But the US was never really an empire in the traditional sense, no? More of a cultural hegemon / terrorist petrostate.

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Post by thisisit »

Aurornis wrote: post #63
Toutouxc wrote: post #9

Insider trading as a service. No one is going to take the US seriously for the next 50 years.

> No one is going to take the US seriously for the next 50 years. I hate this obvious pay-for-access thing as much as anyone, but this isn’t going to define the US for the next 50 years. The second the next president is in office every other country will adapt to working with them, just as been happening every 4-8 years.

You are debating one hyperbole with another hyperbole.

After all not everyone has Trump as President who thinks the only way to work with allies is to bully them. Will this particular thing going to define US for next 50 years? Probably not. Will countries say fuck it and stop working with US? Definitely not.

But will they ever have same amount of fear or trust or reverence for the US? Absolutely no.

That is now lost. While Iraq and Afghan war wasn't exactly a win for the US, the Iranians have shown that Americans can be had if cards(hands) are right. They now know Americans are completely blind to a president who would sell his mother for the right price and still defend him because they feel invincible and instead of offering a seemingly innocuous job to President's son like Burisma they can now blatantly bribe a jet, pay for access openly and no one in America will care because they believe they are infallible.

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Post by TFNA »

c7b wrote: post #113
ceejayoz wrote: post #43

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empi... > The Roman Empire lost the strengths that had allowed it to exercise effective control over its Western provinces; modern historians posit factors including the effectiveness and numbers of the army (check) , the health and numbers of the Roman population (check) , the strength of the economy (check) , the competence of the emperors (check) , the intern…

The decline of the Roman Empire, depending on how you define it, played out over centuries, if not a millennium. It is such a bad analogy for the kind of within-our-lifetimes collapse that is being speculated about here that it undermines the original concern. The decline of Germany as the leading scientific powerhouse in the first half if the 20th century would be a better case study imho.

Historians today tend to emphasize that, even if the Western Empire ended in the fifth century, ultimately everything goes back to the Crisis of the Third Century. That took place with a short enough space that it must qualify as a within-our-lifetimes collapse.
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