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Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by shnock »

ColdStream wrote: post #200
iamnothere wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. My hope is that the rare earths shortage, memory shortage, and current focus on munitions will delay the era of drone-based policing until after the crisis.

I suspect the crisis isn't a short term economic shock but a long term decline from resource decline, possible water/food shortages amplified by climate blow back. Something that will not end in your lifetime or the next generations. Military's, intelligence agencies and actuaries have been warning about this for decades now and their language is getting very direct on this and the time lines nowadays. If you have ev…

Could you please link those warnings? I’m interested in institutional forecasts of such challenges in the upcoming decades.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by iamnothere »

judge2020 wrote: post #219
iamnothere wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a term for this: a moral panic. Believe it or not, sometimes the best answer is to do nothing until the crowd moves on to the next panic, as with the “Satanic Panic” in the 1980s. Turns out D&D was not actually a gateway to Satan worship.

Laws are actually being written though to clamp down on non-id-verified internet browsing. No laws came out of the moral panic of the 1980s.

Right, I’m saying there shouldn’t be such laws.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by tangotaylor »

> A joint statement by Buffy Wicks, the lead author of AB 2273, Jordan Cunningham, another AB 2273 author, and 5Rights Foundation states, “The Bill is practicable and realistic, drawing as it does on the UK’s Age Appropriate Design Code (AADC).”

How is Buffy Wicks so damn gullible with tech legislation? Her AB 1043 and AB 1856 (Digital Age Assurance Act), intended to protect children online and regulate Big Tech (but unintentionally criminalizing open source), was sponsored by a dark money influence operation from Meta.

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_b...

She is actually well-respected with housing and transportation bills but I don't know what's going on with her tech bills.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by matheusmoreira »

dionidium wrote: post #111
matheusmoreira wrote: post #3

> These NGOs have converged upon a unified strategy: use the rhetoric of ‘child safety’ to advocate for digital ID laws that would prevent adults from using the internet anonymously. Of course. Anyone who brings up kids is trying to manipulate you into giving up your freedom for security. Whatever argument they make should be simply ignored and dismissed.

> Whatever argument they make should be simply ignored and dismissed. This makes very little sense. People sometimes appeal to the safety of children cynically, but it's very often sincere, since parents genuinely do worry a lot about their kids . You can tell people to ignore these appeals, but it won't work, and you'll be leaving better arguments on the table.

Sincere or not, their arguments are automatically voided by the simple fact they are building a dystopian cyberpunk panopticon. Nothing justifies that oppression. Not even children.

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Post by ColdStream »

mikestorrent wrote: post #173
jaimex2 wrote: post #167

What can the average person do to try and dismantle these NGOs?

The goal behind these efforts, fundamentally, is to make it impossible to organize efforts to dissent against whatever comes next. We still have the tools for mass organization but we lack unifying charismatic leaders who could use them in time.

Nowadays that seems to be almost by design.

This is something I have noted with Trump, he seems to be one of the last names that made it really big in pre-social media era and had a somewhat unified presence in peoples minds.

Making it to that level nowadays is actually really difficult, heck I would argue that even people like Mr Beast hasn't hit that level of awareness due to the fragmented nature of media and fame.

You can build movement in an echo chamber, it just depends if that is enough.

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Post by ColdStream »

autoexec wrote: post #141
joenot443 wrote: post #38

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The government has a monopoly on violence and companies do not.

That's not really true though is it. The Sackler family caused over 500,000 deaths. Nestlé has killed millions of babies. DuPont and 3M poisoned every living creature on Earth. Nobody spent even one day in prison for any of it. Corporations all over the world routinely and knowingly poison, injure, or outright murder their employees and their customers. They spend massive amounts of money preventing the public from k…

Not that it makes it any better, those people were treated as just externalities to doing business. Government violence is a lot more targeted. Yes, it has the same result but the intention is very different. One is just careless, the other is malicious.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by [deleted] »

anigbrowl wrote: post #135
autoexec wrote: post #103

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Are aggrieved reactionary parents demanding that they should have to scan their face to look at websites? It seems to me like they just want social media companies to be forced to change their harmful and predatory practices and that instead of properly regulating the bad behavior of social media companies the government has decided to use this issue as a means to give themselves more surveillance and control. We don…

Certainly I think they'd be happy if social media companies changed their behavior, but the problem is that they and the politicians don't really know how to make them do that. So the next best thing they can think of is a digital version of 'you can't come in here if you're under 18' similar to nightclubs, betting shops etc. We just need parents to reject the idea that they have to give up their identity and the ide…

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Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by ycombinator_acc »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #3

> These NGOs have converged upon a unified strategy: use the rhetoric of ‘child safety’ to advocate for digital ID laws that would prevent adults from using the internet anonymously. Of course. Anyone who brings up kids is trying to manipulate you into giving up your freedom for security. Whatever argument they make should be simply ignored and dismissed.

In the modern discourse and context, 99 times out of 100, indeed they are, and indeed it should be.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by iamnothere »

shnock wrote: post #221
ColdStream wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the crisis isn't a short term economic shock but a long term decline from resource decline, possible water/food shortages amplified by climate blow back. Something that will not end in your lifetime or the next generations. Military's, intelligence agencies and actuaries have been warning about this for decades now and their language is getting very direct on this and the time lines nowadays. If you have ev…

Could you please link those warnings? I’m interested in institutional forecasts of such challenges in the upcoming decades.

I recommend the Energy Skeptic blog, they often provide sources and links to papers: https://energyskeptic.com/

They also pass my personal test of not advocating for dumb feel-good ideas. Recently they published a well-sourced article on why the US rail system isn’t a good candidate for electrification.

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Post by GiorgioG »

slg wrote: post #210
cobbzilla wrote: post #117

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Yes it’s normal to worry about your kids. It’s normal for family and friends to worry about your kids. When a politician is worried about your kids, you should be worried about your rights and freedoms. Not only for your own sake but for your kids too!

>When a politician is worried about your kids, you should be worried about your rights and freedoms. Not only for your own sake but for your kids too! What rights and freedoms should I worry about when a politician wants to make sure my child is fed by supporting food stamp programs or free hot lunches at school? The idea that any attempt to help a child is inherently suspect honestly says something distrubing about…

Politicians don’t care about your kids, they only care about your vote.
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