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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by sscaryterry »

Cookingboy wrote: post #216
cush wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be true if it wasn't coming from Meta, but it is coming from Meta. Intelligence is a function of the model and compute. Meta has the capital required to put together world-class compute, but they can't attract the talent required to build world-class models. Given their history of building addictive software to harvest and sell user data for profit, they're the last company we need spearheading how models sh…

Sure you can doubt the motivation of the speaker, but remember the validity of the argument itself is orthogonal to the speaker’s identity.

Its perfectly valid to question the intent though. Yes, open models are great. Why does Meta prefer that? Because they lost the race to the top, so they'd rather level the playing field by eliminating the game entirely.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by jamesrr39 »

kylecazar wrote: post #25
ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

Most probably believe this is a good thing, but don't want to give Zuckerberg credit because a) he's had a profoundly negative impact on society and b) the strategy is transparent, he's trying to commoditize his closed rivals, it's not out of principle. I personally think more open models are a good thing regardless of motive.

> he's trying to commoditize his closed rivals, it's not out of principle

To be fair Meta/Facebook does have quite a strong open source history; React (Native), PyTorch, Btrfs, zstd, etc. It didn't just start here with AI models.

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Post by baron816 »

windexh8er wrote: post #135
baron816 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The "legacy media" is not a single individual who has total control of billions of dollars in capital to do whatever they want at the drop of a hat. You're conflating two very different issues. Zuckerberg deserves all of the negative attention he draws, and I'd argue that his spotlight is his own doing. He, individually, could choose to do good at the global level. He chooses not to. That, to me, means that your fing…

Rupert Murdoch absolutely is capable of doing all that. He’s absolutely done far more harm globally than Zuckerberg.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by ungovernableCat »

From Zuck's own words "we will resume releasing some open source models soon" Why did you pause releasing them in the first place? Why release only some?

Pushes for export controls on China who have released open weights on much more powerful models than Meta (and I believe that trend's not changing any time soon). I guess open models are bad if they're communist.

The entire essay has not one mention of the Metaverse, that little thing they spent $80b on and rebranded the whole company around.

As usual, the only centralised power Zuck hates is one that isn't in his own hands.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by bushido »

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama.

I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt.

No one is purely good, and no one is purely evil. This is net good regardless.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by bevr1337 »

Cookingboy wrote: post #216
cush wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be true if it wasn't coming from Meta, but it is coming from Meta. Intelligence is a function of the model and compute. Meta has the capital required to put together world-class compute, but they can't attract the talent required to build world-class models. Given their history of building addictive software to harvest and sell user data for profit, they're the last company we need spearheading how models sh…

Sure you can doubt the motivation of the speaker, but remember the validity of the argument itself is orthogonal to the speaker’s identity.

> the validity of the argument itself is orthogonal to the speaker’s identity.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? Are you actually the Big Bad Wolf? That sounds like something the Big Bad Wolf would say.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by xandrius »

bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

Enough good? You are joking, right?

They also kick off a ton of other nefarious things we are still paying for.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by mcbuilder »

kylecazar wrote: post #25
ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

Most probably believe this is a good thing, but don't want to give Zuckerberg credit because a) he's had a profoundly negative impact on society and b) the strategy is transparent, he's trying to commoditize his closed rivals, it's not out of principle. I personally think more open models are a good thing regardless of motive.

Yeah, I feel like we bigly lose to China if we don't.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by chrisra »

mtoner23 wrote: post #220

Why would someone good at running a social media website be good at managing and developing ai frontier models

Because they have extra money to do whatever they want with. And data to use it on? Not that that is sufficient, but it helps.
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