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Danish high schoolers will have to verbally defend written assignments

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Post by jimnotgym »

bdangubic wrote: post #213
cloudie78 wrote: post #168

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Hi, former student with social phobia and terrified of public speaking. Today: adult with no problems doing public speaking in front of hundreds. What fixed me: more public speaking and not having the option of avoiding the task.

If kids were more aware how much public speaking is tied into their social and especially romantic life later they’d all be majoring in public speaking :)

If kids were aware of how high they can get in a company with talk vs work, they would think all adults were morons. So your approach has an important double duty.

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Post by singingtoday »

userbinator wrote: post #133

It was already long-standing practice, when I was teaching many many years ago, to interview suspected cheaters (it's usually quite obvious) to see if they actually knew what they claimed they knew.

Only the dumb ones are obvious. In my school (SFU/BC) most of the students in almost all of my classes cheated. VERY FEW got caught.

I heard instructors say all too often that it was obvious when somebody was cheating, but somehow they missed the guy paying his cousin to write the final.

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Post by singingtoday »

singingtoday wrote: post #222
userbinator wrote: post #133

It was already long-standing practice, when I was teaching many many years ago, to interview suspected cheaters (it's usually quite obvious) to see if they actually knew what they claimed they knew.

Only the dumb ones are obvious. In my school (SFU/BC) most of the students in almost all of my classes cheated. VERY FEW got caught. I heard instructors say all too often that it was obvious when somebody was cheating, but somehow they missed the guy paying his cousin to write the final.

I should add, this was for CS. I don't know about the other programs.

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Post by Barrin92 »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #73
vardalab wrote: post #54

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So, I grew up in the former Soviet Union. Starting with ninth grade entrance entrance and exit exams were like that. I remember I had to take university physics exam just to be able to qualify for a consideration. It was fairly rough, but I think in a way, good system because it sifted out the wannabes early on.

It does indeed sound great except that everyone was corrupt to the bone

the STEM academic world in the Soviet Union was extremely meritocratic. largely shielded from outside influence and maybe the best talent pipeline anyone has ever invented to produce scientific expertise. Exception being biology as Lysenkoism at some point infected the field.

Corruption affected history or economics because it was ideologically relevant to authorities but math and physics proceeded on its own.

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Post by jimnotgym »

cpburns2009 wrote: post #157
khazhoux wrote: post #154

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Classic “get over it” condescension. Some people are unable to control their strong physiological reaction to in-person judgement. Go tell professional orchestra players who rely on propranolol to control their stage fright to just grow up and start becoming a “proper functioning adult.” https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/hast.70031 https://www.thecrimson.com/column/a-night-at-the-symphony/ar...

Good luck working in the real world if you can't handle interpersonal interactions or being judged. The coddling has to stop. It's doing no one any good.

Is there coddling. I thought this article was about making students do something their predecessors didn't have to do?

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Post by pelagicAustral »

aborsy wrote: post #203

The problem with oral exam is that it’s done serially student by student, which can be infeasible with large classes. The grading is also highly subjective. Written exams are also not best suited to project-based classes. What’s the best way to grade students in classes with coding projects?

Arguably, the problem with higher education is one of volume.

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Post by ghaff »

snapetom wrote: post #210
cloudie78 wrote: post #168

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Hi, former student with social phobia and terrified of public speaking. Today: adult with no problems doing public speaking in front of hundreds. What fixed me: more public speaking and not having the option of avoiding the task.

The best class I ever took in any school setting was Public Speaking in my first year, first semester in college just to "get it out of the way." The teacher started off with "you're all going to look like idiots and embarrass yourselves, and you'll have to get over it. Best you do it here now rather than in front of coworkers in a few years. She gave us skills and techniques that I still rely on today, and most impo…

I had an English teacher in high school where everyone had to alternately do a 5-10 minute talk on a topic of their chosing at the beginning of class. They were rarely much good but it was a good exercise.

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Post by jimnotgym »

Side note/ anecdote.

When I was in school there was a maths aural test. The teacher read out questions and you wrote the answers, with no calculator. Basically a stupid name for a mental arithmetic test. The funny thing was the teachers were so at pains to differentiate between two words that sound basically the same in our local accent, aural and oral, that they insisted on pronouncing aural as "ow-eral' the ow being pronounced like a pain reaction sound. The smarter kids took to teasing the teacher with words like aura and aurora, and asking how to pronounce them...

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