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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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abixb wrote: post #162
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

If what you're saying is true and accurate, then US-based AI labs are in big trouble. The only saving grace might be some sort of a 'national security' proclamation banning the use of state-of-the-art Chinese (and non-US) models across US federal and state governments and large enterprises (especially ones with federal government contracts), but even still, US AI labs will probably lose out massively on international…

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by anal_reactor »

abixb wrote: post #162
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

If what you're saying is true and accurate, then US-based AI labs are in big trouble. The only saving grace might be some sort of a 'national security' proclamation banning the use of state-of-the-art Chinese (and non-US) models across US federal and state governments and large enterprises (especially ones with federal government contracts), but even still, US AI labs will probably lose out massively on international…

It's been true for almost every business. "Cheap and good enough" usually trumps "excellent but expensive". Ikea, McDonald's, Ryanair, AliExpress, Aldi - these brands prove that catering to poor people is more profitable than catering to rich people simply because there are so many poor people that their collective spending power outweights the one of rich people.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by anon373839 »

kzrdude wrote: post #212
ignoramous wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My initial thought was to sign up for ChatGPT, but I had $20 in OpenRouter so I've been trying out DeepSeek V4 Pro with Pi for the last few days and I gotta say, it's good enough for my use case If you prefer subscriptions, OpenCode Go ($10/mo), Cline Pass ($10/mo), Atlas Code ($20/mo), and CommandCode ($1/mo) serve some of the best open weights with generous limits. OpenCode Go currently offers $120 for $10 on Dee…

Just trying to understand, https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#privacy currently says DeepSeek V4 Flash has 0 days data retention. > DeepSeek V4 Flash: ZDR agreement is renewed monthly. The current agreement is valid through August 31, 2026. Is there other info I should be aware of w.r.t data retention with opencode go? It's hosted in China, so other middlemen may be active (I doubt it, but possible)?

Yes. There is a big question mark about whether Anomaly itself (as the OpenCode Go middleman) retains data. The docs were completely silent on this the last time I checked.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

kzrdude wrote: post #212
ignoramous wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My initial thought was to sign up for ChatGPT, but I had $20 in OpenRouter so I've been trying out DeepSeek V4 Pro with Pi for the last few days and I gotta say, it's good enough for my use case If you prefer subscriptions, OpenCode Go ($10/mo), Cline Pass ($10/mo), Atlas Code ($20/mo), and CommandCode ($1/mo) serve some of the best open weights with generous limits. OpenCode Go currently offers $120 for $10 on Dee…

Just trying to understand, https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#privacy currently says DeepSeek V4 Flash has 0 days data retention. > DeepSeek V4 Flash: ZDR agreement is renewed monthly. The current agreement is valid through August 31, 2026. Is there other info I should be aware of w.r.t data retention with opencode go? It's hosted in China, so other middlemen may be active (I doubt it, but possible)?

OpenCode Go does not send any inference to China unless you go into settings and manually select 'Enable models hosted in China'.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by ljlolel »

MarkLowenstein wrote: post #90
542458 wrote: post #4

Kimi K3 was an interesting model only a month ago, and now we're looking at the same performance for 1/20th of the price. Wild how fast this is advancing.

Real question: is there anybody that is both maintaining alpha-dev capability by keeping abreast of all these daily changes, while also reserving enough time to actually work? Seems like we've reached the event horizon of whether AI advances are worth paying attention to.

I do but that's become my work is routing between all the models and end to end encryption, and making new models from these models https://trustedrouter.com/blog/synth-iris-prometheus-zeus

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by m101 »

LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

Could you go into how you run two instances that speak to each other in an implementer / advisor role in parallel? I’ve been looking for this sort of orchestrator / worker solution where there’s constant feedback and nudging between the two.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by horsh1 »

abixb wrote: post #162
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

If what you're saying is true and accurate, then US-based AI labs are in big trouble. The only saving grace might be some sort of a 'national security' proclamation banning the use of state-of-the-art Chinese (and non-US) models across US federal and state governments and large enterprises (especially ones with federal government contracts), but even still, US AI labs will probably lose out massively on international…

If programming in the US to become unconditionally 10x more expensive, then the exodus from the US is about to begin.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by horsh1 »

abixb wrote: post #170
ComplexSystems wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is true. I don't care about having infinite frontier-level intelligence, and I don't care if Fable can one-shot frobnicate a klaxelzorp with a benchmark performance of 97%. I doubt most people do, in fact. I just want something that meets the baseline level of intelligence needed to be a really, really good pair programming agent. It shouldn't have any silly dealbreaker issues involving laziness or hallucinations,…

I wonder when we crossed the "99 percentile of intelligence for 99% of the usecases" threshold. At this point, the gains seem to be right at the very edge of bleeding edge for narrow and specialized use cases, and wonder if it'll be a sort of diminishing return from here on.

In April

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by dools »

I have been using deepseek v4 pro almost exclusively. I was using Kimi a lot but it just nose dived. The decline started with the release of 2.7 and accelerated with the release of 3.

When I need vision capabilities I use GPT 5.3 codex and if deepseek can’t figure something out after a few goes I switch to GTP 5.5 or 5.6 (I’ve been giving Terra first bite recently and it does pretty well, and have used Sol a couple of times).

Using this regimen means I spend under $100 per month on inference and I work all day everyday with multiple agents running simultaneously all on API token spend not subscriptions.

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