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A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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> Nothing linked Klayme to the girl. No intimate images were found. Klayme did have a Kik account, but cops couldn’t even show that he had accessed the service during the period in question. > Still, Klayme was arrested and hit with three charges: > Luring a person under 14 years of age by means of telecommunication > Providing sexually explicit material to a child > Possession of child pornography > The case went to…

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Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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They had the exchange with a minor from an account that everyone -- including the defense -- believed to be Klayme's. His only counterargument was that his email had been hacked, which was not true and not the correct explanation. But what they didn't have is any independent evidence that Klayme had sent the messages or even that he had access to the account that sent them. If they had looked at the IP address from w…

Residential proxies exist. Even if they had picked up that the IP was from somewhere else, a decent lawyer could probably have been able to convince a jury that just showed intent because he was trying to conceal his IP.

You'd have to show some evidence that he did conceal his IP, otherwise there should still be reasonable doubt. You can make up whatever you want without evidence, proving it is different.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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Canadian justice system is under stronge pressure to bring rate of conviction up. Only 0.001% rapist end in prison and bs like that. Some corners must be cut, to reach quotas!

Uh, how many rapists do you guys have trolling about to even manage to produce a percentage like that?

Judging by how many children bodies they find under old orphanage sites, too many.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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In LLM (AI) terms, we call the same effect as "models are hallucinating".

I did understand that analogy from your first comment, because I have neither been living under a rock for the past few years nor suffered a heavy concussion minutes before making my reply. That may seem needlessly harshly worded, but I wanted to very bluntly tell you to not expect/treat your fellow commenters like they are pants-on-head stupid. My intention with GP was finding a good term for this failure to questio…

Sorry if I sounded to you like assuming fellow commenters like that, but that was not my intention. As you were bringing up medical terms, I was trying to set the context clearly for my previous comment.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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> The case went to trial, where Klayme was found guilty. There’s a lot missing in this sentence. What evidence ended up convicting him?

The police testified that they had collected evidence from Kik that his username send the messages. Only he had access to that Kik account, ergo it is him. If that evidence is accepted as factually correct you are cooked. Case closed.

Courts are inherently bad at understanding that technology has bugs. Injustice is the norm.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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> Nothing linked Klayme to the girl. No intimate images were found. Klayme did have a Kik account, but cops couldn’t even show that he had accessed the service during the period in question. > Still, Klayme was arrested and hit with three charges: > Luring a person under 14 years of age by means of telecommunication > Providing sexually explicit material to a child > Possession of child pornography > The case went to…

This is one of those crimes where the accusation is the conviction.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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I understand that certain segments of the population have remained completely disassociated from videogames, and that's fine, but that doesn't make it a niche or an expert topic. Games make significantly more money than movies and TV now. More than 65M people bought Skyrim, and many more millions would recognise Fus-Ro-Dah just from spending time on the Internet anywhere near to gaming circles. The defendant could ha…

> Games make significantly more money than movies and TV now Don't wanna accuse you of anything, but why would you assume thats an important metric for HN populace. I assume most people here don't own a TV to begin with (personal projection obvs).

It's a proxy for reach, which is what GP is talking about.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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post #205

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You can’t leave is hanging like that! What happened?

There are a gazillion federal prosecutions in the US that go something like 1) Pile of evidence that someone is guilty. 2) Federal "expert witness" allowed and funded to testify it points to X person 3) Defense is broke 4) If defense not broke, judge finds reason why defense expert witness can't present their full argument 5) Prosecution offers plea deal or a gazillion years in jail 6) Person folds when they realize…

I have heard prosecutors say that innocent or guilty doesn’t matter. All that matters is whether they can convict.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

#230
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can we go after the real perp now?

Only person asking this, but it's possible they ran out a statute of limitations by going down the wrong path. (SoL normally begins when the prosecution becomes aware that the crime has happened. In the USA SoL for most felonies is often 3 years.)

that's the real tragedy here
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