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First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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In theory we can then get 100 meter resolution on alien worlds. That would be insane.

According to AI, an equivalent would be roughly when Google maps shows you 10mi/20km reference scale. Turning off the labels, aliens would probably assume that the world is naturally full of green stuff that is dealing with some strange grey infestation.

Turning off what labels?

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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In order to get something there fast enough it would be traveling out very fast. Getting something there to orbit I think is not realistic for us any time soon.

I guess the point he's making is that the orbital velocity is pretty slow, so it's not too different to "get there" and "orbit there". Of course, the rocket equation often makes "just add a few percent more delta V" pretty hard ;)

If time is no object, sure.

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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It's dead.

Yeah, it seems it's not permanent. You can go here: https://neo.gsfc.nasa.gov/view.php?datasetId=VIIRS_543D&date... and then click on the right side "0.25 degrees 1440 x 720".

Uploaded for the lazy: https://imgur.com/a/0I8f8DG

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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Helium is a noble gas. It forms no bonds and is unable to produce even a simple molecule, let along the complex ones needed for life.

Assuming non terrestrial life needs complex molecules. Which we can't know for sure.

When you think about it honestly, we really don't know anything about anything. We don't know how many planets there are in the galaxy (nor in the universe, nor in the multiverse, nor if there is a multiverse). We don't know what the chances are of a given planet being habitable (nor what "habitable (for all possible life)" means, nor what "all possible life" means). And we don't know what the chances are of life existing on a given habitable planet. So apart from the fact that all of the above probabilities may well be at or near zero, we're barely even capable of articulating the necessary questions, let alone searching for answers.

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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I generally see myself as an earnest person, but some kinds of earnestness read as cynical to me.

skimming your comment history, to me you seem very comfortable occupying the sociocultural critic position which is to some degree inherently cynical imo. i say that because i also recognize it in myself

Yeah, but I'm only cynical in relation to what I see as the orthodoxies of the kind of people who post on HN.

When I say it like that, it sounds pathetic. And in fact, it is. Yet, here we are.

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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We should build a solar lens telescope. By the time we're ready to use it, we'll have a bunch of candidates to point it at.

The wild thing is that, if I understand it correctly, if you were floating in a spacesuit at the same spot you'd also see that resolution (likely highly distorted) with the naked eye.

Similar to using everyday objects as pinhole cameras. At certain specific distances and angles my blinds offer magnification of small bits of the trees outside.

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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I'm always so alienated (sorry) by the excitement around things like this. People start fantasizing about FTL and space arks and there is just no evidence that any of that is possible, desirable, effective, anything really. I know I'm a killjoy, but I do think there's something negative about the impact of science fiction on engineers. Like, the people who tend (no offense) to be the most literal, black and white thi…

There is too much fantasy about distant habitable planet and not enough about making a planet in solar system habitable or building artificial habitats The second is likely easier than the first

Or even before that, fixing the habitat of the planet we are living on. A lot of the current cultural fantasy of colonizing space feels less like expanding the human frontier and more like escapism.

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With variations on nuclear propulsion we could plausibly get to up to around 12% the speed of light. At least that's the number quoted for Project Daedalus [1], which is using nuclear fusion for the first stage and nuclear-powered ion engines for the second stage. With the cruder but more realistically achievable right now Project Orion design (riding the shockwaves of nuclear bombs) you could still get to ~3% the sp…

> But even at 0.12c, we are looking at 400 years to get there. And we'd be zooming by at 12% the speed of light. If we want to slow down a bit that'd add hundreds of billions to the cost. That’s the really hard part. If it’s almost science fiction to accelerate to 0.12c, it’s certainly much more difficult to slow down. At that speed we’d travel and pass this small system in mere minutes.

Just aim for the desired exoplanet and pack a really beefy shielding system. It would make for a spectacular show.
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