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Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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post #77

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Marketing is just an attempt at persuasion. It's the most fundamental form of communication. It's intrinsic to being human and interacting with other humans, and drives the reproduction function for basically all living things. You have, in fact, just engaged in it in your comment by offering an opinion in hopes that others will read and adopt that opinion. In fact, you posted your comment on the marketing website of…

By that definition, any form of philosophy or politics are subcategories of marketing. It's not marketing if they're not trying to sell you something for money. To address your point - the flowery and innocent core promise of the field may have been true when it was first invented thousands of years ago. Exposing people who actually want to learn about goods and services to your offering in an attempt to establish a…

Yeah, I completely agree with you. I think it should be highly regulated.

I think billboards should be completely banned, or at most relegated to designated districts of dense urban areas. I'm in favor of banning products that are addictive or harmful to people, like gambling, tobacco, and the like. I think that conflicts of interest should be disclosed, and false claims should have consequences.

But I think it's helpful to start the discussion by recognizing that the state that we're in now is the natural state of affairs. It's not evil, and we all engage in elements of it most of our waking lives. But unchecked marketing and persuasion will flood every crack of everything if you let it. Which is why you have to decide what you are willing to permit as a society.

It has to be done coercively, though. The incentives are so unbelievably strong to cheat that shame or persuasion isn't a useful counterweight.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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post #36

The article has solid observations, but I would correct one important thing. It's not AI confidence, it's AI psychosis. A lot of people I know are forced to use AI at work. They universally tell me that their coworkers generate awful PRs with bugs, nonsensical code and fake unit tests. But they also universally tell me that they are different, have special workflows and prompts that create good code. The psychology b…

AI is clearly a force multiplier, both negative and positive. The truth is there are prolific developers like Antirez who have built quality new projects at an incredible pace (Dwarfstar 4, Redis features). But as unpopular as it is to say it, in the working world ~80% of developers pre-AI mostly just attended meetings, did a little busywork and committed small patches here and there. Probably around 20% really moved…

> Those 80% were constrained in the volume they could output pre-AI, but now they are unleashed to do a large amount of net new work but many without the skills to structure it well+maintainably.

You could say that AI turned them from stupid and lazy to the famously dangerous combination of stupid and hardworking.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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I'm always curious if people who think like this have ever owned a business and had to convince people to actually give them money for what they do.

I literally do own a business and my profits are held back by the mere fact that I don’t actively try to manipulate people into giving me their money.

Why does your username contain “APU”?

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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post #78

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I wonder how most of them sleep at night. Do they think they're providing a valuable service? Do they like what they're doing? Do they think of themselves as good people?

Marketers are brought into a company to help bring awareness to the company’s services. Without marketing in some form, your product never makes it to your customers. There are good and bad marketers, just like anything else other profession. Saying that it’s “evil” and wondering “how they sleep at night” is unfair to your own intelligence and its ability assess the value of this function.

People seek out services when a need arises. Marketers' job to invent new needs that didn't exist before

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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post #17

It's somewhat ironic coming from someone that openly states they use AI all day, everyday. Regardless, the message is correct. I don't think that people have become dumber over the last 15 years. At large, they were always dumb. People got access to social media which exposed their stupidity and that was seen as a success(which I still find baffling). Until it wasn't: milking the influencer economy only gets you so f…

Amen! Let it burn…

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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They're literally doing novel research. The smartest mathematicians in the world couldn't solve Erdős' planar unit distance problem for 80 years, and OpenAI's models knocked that out a couple months ago. This stuff is moving fast, and if you aren't evaluating SoTA on at least a quarterly basis, you're going to have a bad time.

I admire your efforts here, but you’re tilting against windmills with your comments here. There’s a loud contingent of AI skeptics on HN who haven’t updated their tired arguments in years. Their fervent hatred of AI is mere religious dogma at this point, not anything empirical. The upside is that we’re competing against these folks. Let them continue to stick their heads in the sand.

For sure, I appreciate your comment - this is a tough crowd, but it's their loss.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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post #78

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I’ve long considered marketing to be one of the purest forms of evil in existence. It truly does envelop and destroy everything good.

I wonder how most of them sleep at night. Do they think they're providing a valuable service? Do they like what they're doing? Do they think of themselves as good people?

Ever wondered about programmers working for example for all the social media companies tearing our society apart?

They sleep just fine. Probably because they believe they do just a small part that's not harmful by itself and if they were not doing it it would be someone else.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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post #69

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Video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9h9wStdPkQY

Funny, the video is on a service of the biggest advertiser in the world.

there would be nobody in his audience without some sort of marketing ...

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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post #27

> But show me something that has become so critical in your day that if I took it away tomorrow, your work would actually fall apart. Show me something truly life changing. Descript. I edit video for work and I am not ever going back to manually seeking to edit video. I am about 8x faster with Descript. This isn’t even a raw praise post: Descript is wildly unstable and shitty at times but I STILL won’t use anything t…

Do you earn 8 times as much now?

I know the point you’re attempting to make but I’ll answer anyway: no but my work is vastly less tedious.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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post #201

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That only means those lines of code were devoid of meaning and arguably were best left unwritten. That your job was meaningless and superficial, that you were an unnecessary burden on society. It is life changing in the sense that suddenly you realise you did not exist for all those years.

Lol. No, I've always put a lot of care in what I made and strove to give people tools that really made them happy. And I still do, steering the AI left and right. But on the other hand yes, seeing the machine fast-forward through most of the reasoning, weighing, understanding, cross-checking, deciding that used to fill hours of my day is... vertiginous. It's real intelligence, and it makes us much less useful and rel…

> It's real intelligence

It is not. It can shortcut only because it had been done before.

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