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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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> mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process, Yes, just like early cars allowed mediocre horse riders to get from A to B with dignity. Or like my Japanese rice cooker allows a person like me, utterly shitty at preparing this, to eat some rice that is cooked to perfection. Etc.

Should mediocre people be preforming heart surgery?

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Why on earth would you expect any of them to take profit so early in the game?

Silly me, expecting a company worth a trillion dollars to make... some money. Any money. A single profitable product.

Anthropic is running at an operating profit this quarter: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/mind-blowing-growth-is-about-to-...

(It's actually probably more profitable than their projections here calculated because they were expecting to be running Fable but can't, and Opus costs less to run)

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Cryptography, I guess? Not really related to LLMs...

Crypto and AI are deeply connected, and you see similar structures/problems in both. Shannon, the “Father (or whatever) of AI”, worked for the NSA and published many papers there that were later declassified. Here is a banger quote on this by Shannon’s boy Warren Weaver, keeping in mind LLMs came from translation problems: “One naturally wonders if the problem of translation could conceivably be treated as a problem…

> Crypto and AI are deeply connected, and you see similar structures/problems in both.

I mean yes, in both deal with information theory.

That's a long way from any practical insight.

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Can you describe your experience using modern AI tools that led to this conclusion? It is hard for me to wrap my head around how my perception could be so different from someone else in presumably the same or similar profession. I'm not asking this in bad faith either but I think your getting downvoted because your comment comes off as a pretty strong assertion without giving details on how you got there.

A lot of effort is spent to make the "conversation" feel just like a human-to-human interaction. This is not a naturally occurring phenomenon due to the technology, but rather a feature carefully engineered by those companies in order to get people hooked. Then they have all these tiny nudges like the typing animations or the "thinking..." popups before the next chat message appears. At some point you might have also…

>A lot of effort is spent to make the "conversation" feel just like a human-to-human interaction.

We'll in humans we call this an education and it takes quite a long time to get one.

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There is no consensus on what caused the bronze age collapse.

Perhaps, but I think volcanic eruption followed by system collapse is very compelling. Here is the story I find most convincing from the experts whose works I have read. It likely started with a volcanic eruption, leading to widespread famine. Those in western Europe who didn't want to starve migrated en masse, as whole families, becoming the sea peoples. The powerful empires struggled to feed their people, and many…

What's the time period between iron being widespread and the so-called collapse?

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NSA has produced nothing. Does nothing. Why don't we just have them pick up garbage on the freeway to help out the tax payers? Let Anthropic and other adults push spying forward.

Have we become reddit here? I mean, you probably have some sympathy and upvotes from fellow readers, but this isn't pushing the conversation forward at all. Any citations to your statement that NSA produces nothing? Or do you have a strong argument or evidence to support this?

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process, or just ignoring their irrelevant input and knowing what to do. if you throw millions of tokens at IDA Pro MCP with the right prompt lets just say security by obscurity fails miserably because there is no obscurity when the LLM chews through the decompilation.

"mediocre people"

I'm glad to see the mask is falling off the privileged caste.

Is there anything inherently wrong about open access to tools? (Apart from rent payments).

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process, or just ignoring their irrelevant input and knowing what to do. if you throw millions of tokens at IDA Pro MCP with the right prompt lets just say security by obscurity fails miserably because there is no obscurity when the LLM chews through the decompilation.

"mediocre people" I'm glad to see the mask is falling off the privileged caste. Is there anything inherently wrong about open access to tools? (Apart from rent payments).

The "privileged caste" being people who actually expended the effort to learn things for themselves?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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"mediocre people" I'm glad to see the mask is falling off the privileged caste. Is there anything inherently wrong about open access to tools? (Apart from rent payments).

The "privileged caste" being people who actually expended the effort to learn things for themselves?

And such people learnt everything from the beginning? From fire?

Where's the cut off point of where learning something for yourself becomes the signal for entrance to the enlightened caste?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Everyone lost access. What even is mainstream news these days.

> Everyone lost access. Yes. But unlike the rest of us, NSA didn't have to if the administration had thought about it for 30 seconds before sending their letter. It's a stupid own-goal.

Americans didn't have to lose access either. It was Anthropic who chose to cut access to more people than they needed to.
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