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Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by driverdan »

meaty wrote: post #24

I wouldn't buy another Apple product either. Between a MacBook Pro which caught fire, an AirPort which melted, an iMac which the backlight went on and a MacBook which had to go back 4 times (!) due to logic board problems, it scares the shit out of me parting with that sort of cash and actually depending on it. The muppets at the "genius bar" (retard shelf as we call it now) aren't exactly helpful and usher you away…

Don't act like the T6x series was perfect, they had plenty of issues too. They used cheap coils that would squeal when running on battery power. The heat sink fan is a cheap design and fails frequently. I had to replace mine 3 times with remaned ones because they don't sell them new anymore. The battery life is poor compared to MacBooks, even with the giant extended battery that sticks way off the back. Their weight (mid to upper 5 lbs) is heavy compared to rMBP and Airs.

This isn't even factoring in their performance vs newer laptops.

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Post by clarky07 »

freehunter wrote: post #212
clarky07 wrote: post #198

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If this makes you think it's not a premium product, or the best out there, go get a different product. What's so wrong with that? I want a pony, but dammit Apple doesn't offer ponies. Saying "I WANT A PONY FROM APPLE NOW" isn't going to make it so. Quit bitching and take your business elsewhere. If you happen to think the iPhone is still the best even with this problem, then get a case or hold the phone differently.

I agree with Politician A on every point except one. So since we have that one disagreement, I'm going to vote for politician B instead, with whom I disagree on every issue but this one. One issue doesn't mean you have to hate the phone as a whole, or stop using it. The more acceptable response is to ask that the issue be fixed. Just because an iPhone has signal issues that are inconvenient doesn't mean it's not the…

It's a problem with the phone. Apple offered a free solution, put a case on it. If you don't like that solution, what do you want them to do about it? Re-engineer the phone just for you and give you a replacement? It's not like this was a 1-off problem, like Joe's phone was defective so we replace Joe's phone. EVERY phone was made the same with this problem. You can't just "fix it" for Joe. It isn't a matter of customer service where they can just fix the issue.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by thetrb »

clarky07 wrote: post #198
tatsuke95 wrote: post #149

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Typical exchange: Person A: Apple is amazing. Antenna-gate was mass media nonsense. Person B: I, personally, had major problems with the antenna. Person C: Why don't you just get rid of your phone then? No one told you to buy one. Or, I can demand the quality and service I expect from a premium product. What's wrong with that?

If this makes you think it's not a premium product, or the best out there, go get a different product. What's so wrong with that? I want a pony, but dammit Apple doesn't offer ponies. Saying "I WANT A PONY FROM APPLE NOW" isn't going to make it so. Quit bitching and take your business elsewhere. If you happen to think the iPhone is still the best even with this problem, then get a case or hold the phone differently.

He doesn't request a "pony from apple now" but a working phone. If you don't see the difference here, then sorry, but I don't understand your point.

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Post by mullingitover »

dpark wrote: post #114
meaty wrote: post #87

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No I'm not. I'm saying that there is no acceptable insulation in the device. The chassis for example uses air gap between the board and the base for insulation. Even condensation can bridge it, which is the theory why mine exploded. Regarding appearance, and? Does that really matter? Why you pick a ThinkPad: http://appel.hu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/rollcage.jpg That and you can throw the damn thing across the…

> The chassis for example uses air gap between the board and the base for insulation. Even condensation can bridge it, which is the theory why mine exploded. What environment are you using your laptop in that's allowing condensation to form inside the device? Electronics are typically not rated for use in condensing environments at all. Air gaps as insulators are pretty typical in electronics. That's how it works in…

> "What environment are you using your laptop in that's allowing condensation to form inside the device?"

I can think of a pretty easy hypothetical--have the laptop indoors, powered down in a very cool air conditioned room for enough time to make it cool. Then take it outside in a high humidity region like Florida and turn it on. Bam, condensation inside the device.

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Post by achompas »

meaty wrote: post #69
michael_miller wrote: post #43

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It sounds like you had some bad experiences, but do you really think that Apple makes products with "no engineering applied past experience"? Surely Apple's products have had faults, and it sounds like you've been bitten more than once. I don't blame you for not liking the company or its products. However, there are lots of satisfied customers, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who believed that their…

Yes I do - they are shit, so is their engineering and I'm not afraid to go against the grain and say it. I've never heard of a satisfied long term customer i.e. most of the praise comes from new users with shiny toys. My father has just been screwed by his 1st gen iPad because some of the apps will no longer install and IOS6 is not available (to the trash it goes), his white iPhone 4S has proximity sensor issues to t…

Had my first-gen Intel white poly MacBook for 5 years. Could've run it longer but a friend needed a new laptop so I passed it on.

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Post by bugsbunnyak »

chaud wrote: post #156
bugsbunnyak wrote: post #90

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Sadly, Lenovo cannot be relied on as they once were (even for the first few years post-IBM). My W520 has been to warranty depot three times - still not fixed - for this problem that has been known for 1.5 years: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/W-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/W520-s... I'm still using, and loving, my T61P. If only there was a way to get an i5 or i7 in that lovely reliable chassis :(

Just as it has always been, the T series will be the best built laptops. You were free to purchase a T530 with any of the i5 or i7 CPUs and 1920 x 1080 screen. The only downside to them is the lack of higher end GPUs. They are just about as solidly built as the older T series.

I bought it specifically for the quadro 2000, for volume-rendering and cuda. Thanks for the heads-up, I didn't realize the W series was created post-IBM.

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Post by Tipzntrix »

eropple wrote: post #174
rozap wrote: post #164

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I think what he's going for is that, had you kept your original MBP, you would be unsatisfied. Not saying he's right or wrong there. However, I think it is fair to say that the majority of Apple fans often have a pretty frequent upgrade cycle. Consequently I don't think there are too many "long term customers" of Apple products in his sense of the word. I think Meaty is really going for "long term" customer as in - i…

I'd be "unsatisfied" because a slow processor, a 4GB RAM maximum, and a shitty GPU would suck, sure. I upgrade and sell my old machines on a yearly basis or so because paying a $300-$400 delta (sell the old one, buy the new one) is worth it to have something in the target area for Apple and for developers. There's no point for me in keeping older devices long-term because nobody really targets the trailing edge. I sp…

You see with Windows, Microsoft targetted (or at least went WAY out of their way to accommodate) the trailing edge. hell, they even held support for many DOS programs for a long time. This pattern looks like it might be changing with Metro though.

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Post by gknoy »

aespinoza wrote: post #209
robomartin wrote: post #193

As this article pertains to screen issues how about we discuss this a little bit rather than engaging in senseless rants? The "ghosting" issue the article highlights is a known problem with certain types of LCD screens. With a caveat I'll say that LG LCD panels are known for these kinds of issues much more so than Samsung's. The caveat is that ALL OEM LCD manufacturers have issues, all of them. The other very importa…

So what is the point of paying the Apple premium if they are just the same as everybody else ? I think the fact that it is possible, it should not be the norm. As you can see in the article, the problem is not that he got a defective Monitor, is the fact that Apple is trying to avoid replacing it. If I buy the best, I expect the best. When I buy an Apple product, just like the author, I expect to get the best. If it…

In the Retina macbook's case, the premium seems worth paying because no one else has a laptop with comparable hardware. It seems like the Nexus line has similar dpi as the retina iPads, though, so hopefully this is simply a case of Apple having it first, and everyone else will have it in the next year or so.

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Post by crististm »

It's very easy to fake the test and then say - look, your screen is within tolerance:

- provide a black & white pattern for 3 minutes

- provide a gray pattern _with compensation_ for the black&white for 1 minute

If your gray compensation doesn't fall through the minute, you are within tolerance. If not, then the compensation was not enough and your screen is way off.

Either way, your screen is toast.

Since, by definition, only people with defective screens will waste time to go to service, only they will see the test and risk to see the compensation on a good screen.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by astrodust »

Tipzntrix wrote: post #214
astrodust wrote: post #123

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Until there are other vendors on the same page as Apple, there's no way to put it otherwise. If you want to buy power tools, a watch, a car, you have many choices of first-rate products. When it comes to computers it's such a broken marketplace. It'd be a world where there's BMW and a whole bunch of Hyundai-type companies. I have my head in the gutter because I have standards? Expectations? That appearances do matter…

For laptops, there's Dell, Lenovo, ASUS, Sony, and more...a lot of them don't cost as much as Apple, but their benchmarks match up at a cheaper cost.

You're missing the point. It's not about benchmarks. That's like buying a car based on horsepower or quarter mile times. It doesn't matter as much as you'd think.

It's about build quality. About vendor support. About durability. I can't be the only one disappointed that there aren't many options if those are the things you value.

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