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Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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There's a hell of a difference between "court filings are secrete and the media is censored to not talk about that" and "there's a process, but I personally don't know how to follow it"

What's the purpose of the process?

Irrelevant to the question at hand: Are UK court proceedings secret.

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Meal deals are in every supermarket in the UK. Petrol stations even do them. Also, as a foreigner who lives over there, I think they are... sad? I'm surprised they got a positive reception from your coworkers. For me they are a backup and a failure to do something more interesting.

This is one of those things that varies by cultural cachet rather than actual quality. It's not that different from people living off Japanese konbini, but those are perceived as much cooler. Most cities will have local sandwich options as well near major office districts, but they might not be as cheap.

No, Konbini, and Japanese food in general, is much much healthier than the equivalents in the West. Especially the Anglo West.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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I started building one some years ago, until a friend pointed out that I’d be unemployable and probably targeted.

Crowdsource it - do it on Wikipedia?

still easy enough to target, and with the added benefit of non-stop internecine wikipedia arguments + the marketing depts of these firms edit pages + potential lawsuits

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It might take a large org several years to migrate off core systems like VMWare. If you think the customer is likely to churn within a few years anyway it makes economic sense to hike their fee.

At any one time, something like 90% of all enterprises are engaged in at least one multi-year strategic move away from an abusive vendor. In the tech world, these might be Oracle, Broadcom, (formerly) IBM, or (even more formerly) Computer Associates. Typically you're looking at a year or two of discovery, audits and planning, another year or two to cover the main transition, and then up to five years of mopping up. T…

used to work at a company that was tied to literally all of those. life was miserable.

then oracle cut costs on next gen exo-data stuff and agreed to waive some license costs this time and bam just doubled down on them again. ugh.

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The VM layer gives you an aspect of fungibility that commodity hardware doesn’t. It’s being able to over provision, dynamically reallocate hardware resources, or do things like live migration and entire system snapshots. That hardware/system management aspect is what VM’s give you and containers don’t. Note: if you want to conflate “containers“ with an entire job management and scheduling system (“k8s”) then you’re n…

> It’s being able to over provision, dynamically reallocate hardware resources, or do things like live migration and entire system snapshots. That hardware/system management aspect is what VM’s give you and containers don’t. None of those matter in the slightest with containers. Why would you need to reallocate hardware resources when the containers can run on another piece of hardware? You would snapshot the relevan…

We run everything on VM just for flexibility. Want to stand up a new machine for testing? Boom, run the script, new Ubuntu server. We need to decommission a machine. Shutdown all the guests, move them over to new machine and start them.

Sure, most of what we do is very cattle and we could run on bare hardware but why not take advantage of easy to add flexibility.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Why a retailer needs 40k servers? What are they serving? To whom? What is wrong with system designers these days? Are they designing or just selling?

To the business? logistics, facilities (think power, HVAC, refrigeration systems), security, HR, finance, accounting, legal, purchasing, sales, marketing, etc. Probably with multiple environments (dev/qa/prod/DR) for anything important.

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> It’s being able to over provision, dynamically reallocate hardware resources, or do things like live migration and entire system snapshots. That hardware/system management aspect is what VM’s give you and containers don’t. None of those matter in the slightest with containers. Why would you need to reallocate hardware resources when the containers can run on another piece of hardware? You would snapshot the relevan…

We run everything on VM just for flexibility. Want to stand up a new machine for testing? Boom, run the script, new Ubuntu server. We need to decommission a machine. Shutdown all the guests, move them over to new machine and start them. Sure, most of what we do is very cattle and we could run on bare hardware but why not take advantage of easy to add flexibility.

I'm not sure I follow. Ideally your bare metal machines have an easy bare OS with some config that is easy to repave, and are ephemeral-ish (not a lot of state).

Your "machine for testing" would be a container. Decommissioning a container is easy. Decommissioning a physical machine only happens when it's obsolete.

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40k server workloads… what a good, objective, quantifiable unit of measure. I’m sure the author’s intent was to make it sound like 40k servers or virtual machines. Either way, those numbers would be insane. Sensationalist clickbait headline.

Could very well just have been that last stubborn server they just never got round to!

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Why a retailer needs 40k servers? What are they serving? To whom? What is wrong with system designers these days? Are they designing or just selling?

Is it that hard to imagine? They do 100B USD / yr revenue as a supermarket chain with 330k employees and a massive logistics operation. The software supporting the whole shebang is not gonna run on a spare macbook pro in a cupboard.

You motivated why they need a big database. Still unclear to me why they need 40k VMs and not just 100.

Its ok for Amazon to do it since they paid for the physical machines anyway and they want to dogfood their AWS services, it does not make sense for someone who rents compute and licenses.

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Hire me, I'll be more than happy to show you! :D I'm an expert at it!

Ha I have done migrations recently from vSphere to vSphere using vMotion and it was easy. But it still took duplicate set of HW and I couldn’t imagine doing it without a lot of IaC and automation in place (plus physical space, power and cooling)

> But it still took duplicate set of HW and I couldn’t imagine doing it without a lot of IaC and automation in place

Like I said, I specialize in that. My career has been doing hard infra stuff other people won't or can't.

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