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U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Look at all of the headlines coming out of the department of energy: https://www.energy.gov/newsroom Lots of them related to coal and LNG. Most prominently: https://www.energy.gov/articles/energy-department-invest-350... The policy of the federal government is anti renewable energy and pro coal, pro oil. Oil executives are profiting from the situation with Iran. These guys don't want us to have cheap renewable energy…

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Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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The primary goal of authoritarianism is consolidation of power among a small number of elites. Anything that can reduce that power is an enemy. The essential weakness that the powerful elites have is that they are, by definition, outnumbered. So in order to consolidate and maintain power, they need to disturb any system that the masses can use to coordinate and form collective action. (It's a kid's movie, but Hopper'…

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I would point to the consistent consolidation of power upward in our government, from Congress to the President, away from States to Congress, away from local governments to State. Our population grows and yet congress is capped, our problems and cases grow and yet the Supreme Court isn't being increased and instead picks and chooses cases that support the federal government.

I find it hard to believe anyone is willingly ceding power upward except towards the goal of a stronger more authoritarian rule by the elite classes because they don't think lesser people are worthy of making decisions. They don't care about stepping on others as long as they think they will get to do the stepping.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Its not even about saving money. If they just wanted to save money they'd just stop paying attention to the data coming in, retask/lay off the people working on it, and let the buoys stay out there. A dumb idea to me, but at least that's consistent. Let other organizations decide to manage the buoys. While I'd prefer for the government to do it, it could be possible to have other groups fund such things. It would be…

It's also (according to some in Congress) an illegal action as Congress authorized and funded the project: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/lawmakers-fight-to-stop... But that just seems like par for the course for the current administration, whether it's tariffs or ballrooms or ocean sensors - do the illegal thing ASAP, let the courts argue for months or years, and maaaaaybe get a slap on the wrist sometime way…

Congress isn't toothless so I just don't see how I can believe anything but that the majority of congress, whether they claim opposition or not, is onboard with this nonsense. They are completely out of touch and it seems like they are just playing a game of PR hot potato to avoid taking any real action.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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And the non-cancellable nature of grants is not just a nice-to-have, it's absolutely critical for research with upfront capital costs (buying equipment, building labs, etc.) The very _fact_ that this is a policy is disrupting research, even if specific grants haven't been cancelled. Some universities are stepping in to backstop, but it's a powerful chilling effect.

People here are missing that they're not dismantling random things. There is a system to it, the objective of which is far more sinister than mere ideology. The sensors in question here are crucial to monitor the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC). They don't want that monitored because it is currently breaking down. Not some arbitrary far away time, now. The science of this gets astroturfed into some…

When did evidence ever change the minds of the incredulous? The whole debate has become so polluted by the forces who want no action on climate change we can’t even use the original description any more.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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That's only part of it, the US and allies are reportedly going to set up a $300 billion fund for Iran, the particular terms of accessing it aren't clear at this point. GP is correct in that the US is not putting up $300 billion, but it will be putting up part of that money. The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer.

>The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer. That is also fake news. The US did not lose the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war

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Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Look at all of the headlines coming out of the department of energy: https://www.energy.gov/newsroom Lots of them related to coal and LNG. Most prominently: https://www.energy.gov/articles/energy-department-invest-350... The policy of the federal government is anti renewable energy and pro coal, pro oil. Oil executives are profiting from the situation with Iran. These guys don't want us to have cheap renewable energy…

The DoE is posting misinformation constantly, they seem to just be old oil people. Idk how they're still flying under the radar.

None of it is under the radar anymore, they have a radicalized supporter base and increasingly dictatorial control over the basic functioning of government. Subtlety is no longer necessary under those conditions.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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That's only part of it, the US and allies are reportedly going to set up a $300 billion fund for Iran, the particular terms of accessing it aren't clear at this point. GP is correct in that the US is not putting up $300 billion, but it will be putting up part of that money. The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer.

>The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer. That is also fake news. The US did not lose the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war

> That is also fake news.

You keep using those words, but it's clear you don't know what they mean (or what anything means). Enjoy your trolling.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Its not even about saving money. If they just wanted to save money they'd just stop paying attention to the data coming in, retask/lay off the people working on it, and let the buoys stay out there. A dumb idea to me, but at least that's consistent. Let other organizations decide to manage the buoys. While I'd prefer for the government to do it, it could be possible to have other groups fund such things. It would be…

It's also (according to some in Congress) an illegal action as Congress authorized and funded the project: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/lawmakers-fight-to-stop... But that just seems like par for the course for the current administration, whether it's tariffs or ballrooms or ocean sensors - do the illegal thing ASAP, let the courts argue for months or years, and maaaaaybe get a slap on the wrist sometime way…

Well the majority party in Congress could put a stop to it at any time. The fact that they don't, and haven't just on about any related issue, tells you everything you need to know. They just don't want to put their names on it in case public opinion sours, then they can at least try to keep their jobs and claim innocence.

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The scales of money at play always seem so strange. Oh a few hundred million for ocean sensors, or about what a few OpenAI / Cursor employees or a few hundred FAANG employees could personally fund if they desired to do so.

Its not even about saving money. If they just wanted to save money they'd just stop paying attention to the data coming in, retask/lay off the people working on it, and let the buoys stay out there. A dumb idea to me, but at least that's consistent. Let other organizations decide to manage the buoys. While I'd prefer for the government to do it, it could be possible to have other groups fund such things. It would be…

This administration is extremely wasteful despite the mantra about reducing waste, fraud and abuse. In fact it's done the opposite of all three things.

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Can anyone explain that "anti-science" crusade to me? This doesn't seem to have any effect than reduce America's standing in the world.

There's a lot of collateral damage that could have been avoided if millions weren't being squandered on dubious "science" like studying grooming habits of trans aboriginals in the Central African Republic (a made-up scenario, but there are many like it). At some point the baby's going to be thrown out with the bath water until the course is corrected.

A lot of this “dubious science” isn’t dubious at all. Rather, people just have a political view on it. Like climate change is considered dubious science by the right. It’s not, but that’s how they view it.
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