Look at all of the headlines coming out of the department of energy: https://www.energy.gov/newsroom Lots of them related to coal and LNG. Most prominently: https://www.energy.gov/articles/energy-department-invest-350... The policy of the federal government is anti renewable energy and pro coal, pro oil. Oil executives are profiting from the situation with Iran. These guys don't want us to have cheap renewable energy…
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
The primary goal of authoritarianism is consolidation of power among a small number of elites. Anything that can reduce that power is an enemy. The essential weakness that the powerful elites have is that they are, by definition, outnumbered. So in order to consolidate and maintain power, they need to disturb any system that the masses can use to coordinate and form collective action. (It's a kid's movie, but Hopper'…
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I find it hard to believe anyone is willingly ceding power upward except towards the goal of a stronger more authoritarian rule by the elite classes because they don't think lesser people are worthy of making decisions. They don't care about stepping on others as long as they think they will get to do the stepping.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not even about saving money. If they just wanted to save money they'd just stop paying attention to the data coming in, retask/lay off the people working on it, and let the buoys stay out there. A dumb idea to me, but at least that's consistent. Let other organizations decide to manage the buoys. While I'd prefer for the government to do it, it could be possible to have other groups fund such things. It would be…
It's also (according to some in Congress) an illegal action as Congress authorized and funded the project: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/lawmakers-fight-to-stop... But that just seems like par for the course for the current administration, whether it's tariffs or ballrooms or ocean sensors - do the illegal thing ASAP, let the courts argue for months or years, and maaaaaybe get a slap on the wrist sometime way…
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the non-cancellable nature of grants is not just a nice-to-have, it's absolutely critical for research with upfront capital costs (buying equipment, building labs, etc.) The very _fact_ that this is a policy is disrupting research, even if specific grants haven't been cancelled. Some universities are stepping in to backstop, but it's a powerful chilling effect.
People here are missing that they're not dismantling random things. There is a system to it, the objective of which is far more sinister than mere ideology. The sensors in question here are crucial to monitor the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC). They don't want that monitored because it is currently breaking down. Not some arbitrary far away time, now. The science of this gets astroturfed into some…
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That's only part of it, the US and allies are reportedly going to set up a $300 billion fund for Iran, the particular terms of accessing it aren't clear at this point. GP is correct in that the US is not putting up $300 billion, but it will be putting up part of that money. The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer.
>The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer. That is also fake news. The US did not lose the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war
Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears
#226Look at all of the headlines coming out of the department of energy: https://www.energy.gov/newsroom Lots of them related to coal and LNG. Most prominently: https://www.energy.gov/articles/energy-department-invest-350... The policy of the federal government is anti renewable energy and pro coal, pro oil. Oil executives are profiting from the situation with Iran. These guys don't want us to have cheap renewable energy…
The DoE is posting misinformation constantly, they seem to just be old oil people. Idk how they're still flying under the radar.
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's only part of it, the US and allies are reportedly going to set up a $300 billion fund for Iran, the particular terms of accessing it aren't clear at this point. GP is correct in that the US is not putting up $300 billion, but it will be putting up part of that money. The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer.
>The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer. That is also fake news. The US did not lose the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war
You keep using those words, but it's clear you don't know what they mean (or what anything means). Enjoy your trolling.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not even about saving money. If they just wanted to save money they'd just stop paying attention to the data coming in, retask/lay off the people working on it, and let the buoys stay out there. A dumb idea to me, but at least that's consistent. Let other organizations decide to manage the buoys. While I'd prefer for the government to do it, it could be possible to have other groups fund such things. It would be…
It's also (according to some in Congress) an illegal action as Congress authorized and funded the project: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/lawmakers-fight-to-stop... But that just seems like par for the course for the current administration, whether it's tariffs or ballrooms or ocean sensors - do the illegal thing ASAP, let the courts argue for months or years, and maaaaaybe get a slap on the wrist sometime way…
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#229The scales of money at play always seem so strange. Oh a few hundred million for ocean sensors, or about what a few OpenAI / Cursor employees or a few hundred FAANG employees could personally fund if they desired to do so.
Its not even about saving money. If they just wanted to save money they'd just stop paying attention to the data coming in, retask/lay off the people working on it, and let the buoys stay out there. A dumb idea to me, but at least that's consistent. Let other organizations decide to manage the buoys. While I'd prefer for the government to do it, it could be possible to have other groups fund such things. It would be…
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can anyone explain that "anti-science" crusade to me? This doesn't seem to have any effect than reduce America's standing in the world.
There's a lot of collateral damage that could have been avoided if millions weren't being squandered on dubious "science" like studying grooming habits of trans aboriginals in the Central African Republic (a made-up scenario, but there are many like it). At some point the baby's going to be thrown out with the bath water until the course is corrected.