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Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Most would not consider MV3 versions as ”adblockers” anymore.

Do they block ads though? I am now only using Firefox because I can install Ublock origin and that works out for me.

uBO lite blocks between most and all of the ads, at least on the sites I browse. I honestly didn't notice a difference switching over.

I'm actually more curious to hear what sites it doesn't do a good job on.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Yeah. Take Firefox choosing to create PDF.js to have a clean minimalist sandboxed PDF parser. Chrome instead used an existing one that has been the source of dozens of vulnerabilities. Or Firefox pulling in a ton of anti-fingerprinting measures from the Tor team. Not even worth talking about anti-fingerprinting as a serious consideration in Chrome. Rust - a mozilla effort that resulted in code from servo being pulled…

Everything you said don't really matter when there is basically no site sandboxing on Android and desktop.

[edit] correction - I looked this up - I thought they used the chrome version, but they wrote their own sandboxing layer from scratch. On top of that they go beyond Chrome's measures with containers that isolate pretty much everything tracking-related if you use them. https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/05/18/introducing-sit...

That's on the desktop. I don't know about the situation on Android, but my impression was the codebases are pretty similar these days.

Where did you get the idea there was no sandboxing?

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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JavaScript really isn't that slow. JIT compilation can wind up faster than AOT compilation. And much of the APIs called by JavaScript is natively-implemented browser code. JavaScript is faster than C# yet people implement games in C# (not the engine cores, but that's a very similar situation to JS) and don't bat an eye.

> JavaScript is faster than C# Apples to oranges, scripts need an entire browser/Interpeter framework underneath it to even function

See the mentioned game engine reference which closely parallels this.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Firefox already lost the browser wars. It's about 2%. Saying "you can use uBlock Origin instead of uBlock Origin Lite!" won't change this.

As long as Firefox keeps up with the standards treadmill, I could be the only person using it, and it really wouldn't affect me any. As of right now, there are vanishingly few sites that earnestly work differently on Firefox than on Chrome. Significantly more sites arbitrarily block non-Chrome User Agents, but that's trivially avoided by just serving a Chrome UA on Firefox. Which makes it trivial to switch. There's r…

I'll be right there with you. Even with the stupid addition of widgets which immediately get disabled and never used.

All that I care about is that I do not see a single ad in or on anything while I browse. It's a fight but firefox makes it doable.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Most would not consider MV3 versions as ”adblockers” anymore.

Yeah, I think calling the Mv3 versions "secure adblockers" would be more accurate.

To keep with the current parlance, "safe adblocker" would seem to fit better. Safe for whom, I think we all already know.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Brave, Vivaldi (successor of opera), a few others also based on chromium work just fine. No ads.

I'm also on brave and they've promised support for M2 for the future but they're of course a fork of chromium, so we'll have to see how committed they are to implement improvements that they can't simply merge in due to conflicting behaviours. Which you can almost guarantee Google will do.

Inbuilt ad blockers aren't affected by whatever change Google may do to the extension ecosystem.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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This is your sign to start using a DNS based ad/tracking blocker. Run it on your VPS with tailscale if you want it available everywhere without significant security overhead.

DNS adblocking doesn't catch everything.

Is it time to run every document we download through a sandboxed local LLM to clean it up on the fly? How long then before the ad tech companies start prompt injecting?

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

Firefox already lost the browser wars. It's about 2%. Saying "you can use uBlock Origin instead of uBlock Origin Lite!" won't change this.

> Firefox already lost the browser wars. It's about 2%.

Firefox, originally "Phoenix" when it was first released, originally had 0% and made it up to 30%. There's no technical reason why it can go higher from 2%.

If the folks that started Phoenix/Firefox thought the same way you did, when IE was the top dog, we wouldn't have it in the first place because they would have things were "lost". They decided things were not lost and to make an effort.

We can again choose to consider things "lost", or we can try to turn things around.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Most would not consider MV3 versions as ”adblockers” anymore.

Do they block ads though? I am now only using Firefox because I can install Ublock origin and that works out for me.

ublock origin lite is blocking a bunch of stuff for me, and things are unbearable when I turn it off.

For many sites, especially news sites, I toggle javascript off. It's reasonably easy to do per site in chrome (click left of location bar and "site settings"). I don't know if there is an easy way to do this per site in firefox.

So far I've stuck with chrome for a few reasons:

- Mozilla doesn't implement desktop PWA and has cancelled the project. I use this. - Mozilla was using about twice as much memory as chrome. (I need to revisit this, Chrome seems to have gotten fatter.) - Safari is a royal pain to write your own extensions (last I checked you need to create an application and bundle the extension into it). - I like the multiple profiles in Chrome to sandbox things like my google login. There may be a firefox equivalent, however.

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