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Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by bulbar »

mrtksn wrote: post #85
j_maffe wrote: post #79

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> was to me a shining example of progress and humanity. Which country was the US bombing to the ground at this period you're reminiscing on?

You don't get it, the US government could have been bad or good but that wasn't the concern when it comes to America. America was a separate thing from the folks in Washington, some politicians and might have done very bad things or the military industrial complex might have pushed the politicians to start wars but this wasn't what America stands for. Americans used to be the good guys, even when bombing kindergarten…

It's really hard to distinguish this from satire, because it's so much detached from reality. I deduce it's not satire from the other posts here.

Labeling 300+ million people as "the good guys" grouping then by nation (I assume with "Americans" you mean US American citizen and not, for example, Mexicans?) but then trying to detach a nation from its politics is wild and the notion of "they are the good guys even when they do terrible things" is some weird circular or contradicting argument (depending on how I've wants to play that).

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Post by fakedang »

fransje26 wrote: post #211
kubb wrote: post #105

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You could take your analogy further, and consider why the Swiss banking isn’t so opaque anymore. Hint: people who did really inhuman things used that system to store their profits, and the Swiss society, developed and stable as it is, decided that they don’t want to bear the moral cost of it anymore.

> Hint: people who did really inhuman things used that system to store their profits, and the Swiss society, developed and stable as it is, decided that they don’t want to bear the moral cost of it anymore. That's a nice re-write of history. What actually happened is that the US said: cut the crap and leave the opaque banking to us, else...

Exactly. Post that pressure, the US, specifically Wyoming, is a much better tax haven than any Swiss canton.

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

Avalaxy wrote: post #146
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #21

In the meantime Belgian public sector will use Google Cloud, it seems: https://ittech-pulse.com/news/smals-partners-with-google-clo...

That's not the case. Smals will use it, that doesn't mean that the rest of the public sector has to follow.

The tender was about R&D, the press release is about replacing the federal cloud, if you read between the words.

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Post by ElFitz »

I think it’s not the first time the US has used that sort of interpretation of the law. There’s this one[^0] but also, I believe, an older case, also involving Microsoft, about data in Ireland. But I can’t find it.

[0]: https://hackernoon.com/the-factors-prompting-a-judge-to-issu...

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Post by koonsolo »

graemep wrote: post #112
koonsolo wrote: post #91

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We Europeans are very well aware that we need to strengthen our position in the world, both economically and militarily. I would say we are making progress on both. China is not happy with recent EU decision for example. Let's see how far China and US will go when access to the European consumer market will be resticted. Let's see how well China and US can adapt to modern drone warfare when Ukrainians have the expert…

Making progress how? High economic growth? No. An effective military? Nothing compared to the 1980s. The UK's defence minister resigned today because of the prime minister's refusal to adequately fund defence.

Europe is making big investments in military, there is no denying it. And comparing to the 1980's? Maybe look at how the borders have shifted since the 1980's, and then we'll talk again about how Western Europe is "declining". All those USSR satellite states and plenty of SSR's are now part of us, or want to be part of us.

I agree we don't have high economic growth, mainly an issue with scaleups and regulation. There are also plenty of initiatives there, like EU Inc.

We are waking up, so claiming that we are sleeping at the wheel is plain false.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

SidewaysView wrote: post #220
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #167

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It seems like a specific thing has changed. It used to be that when the US did something bad, people would point to the constitution and the American ideals and say "this isn't living up to our promise". Now instead when people point to the constitution and American ideals people say "those were written by dead white men" as if to justify cynically discarding them in favor of something heinous.

The promise of slavers and slavery? The promise of whiteness and empire? The propaganda of the dying and dead so-called enlightenment? What other promises have you ever had? What did you think justice meant? You losers talking of WW2 and Rome. Now sit back down.

Slavery has been abolished in the US for over 150 years, which is more time than it was between the founding of the US and when it was abolished. There hasn't been a slave owner or slave in generations.

Meanwhile abandoning freedom of speech or due process because of the skin color of the persons who penned the original documents can only be described as some kind of wackadoodle nonsense and evokes suspicions of arguing in bad faith.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #212
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #179

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Something with ~0% market share outside of China and which trades the US having root for China having root is not a viable alternative. In theory you could have something produced by a country other countries might be willing to trust, but the number of countries that are both trustworthy and large enough to sustain a globally-viable platform is practically the empty set at this point. Which means the thing it calls…

This doesn’t sound well reasoned. If the USA were to ever weaken into irrelevance then yes messing with foreign HarmonyOS users might have some possibility that can’t be easily dismissed. As long as the USA doesn’t become completely toothless then the incentives would point in the opposite… as long as Huawei behave scrupulously they are nearly guaranteed to win and dethrone the incumbents for most of the world.

The US has already banned Huawei from doing business in the US.

Moreover, everybody knows how the enshittification cycle works at this point. They don't openly betray you when they have 0.3% market share, they just fit you for a noose that gets tighter as their market power increases. But because everybody now expects that to happen, who is going to use it to begin with if it's not open source and correspondingly resistant to rug pulls?

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

dmurray wrote: post #195
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #172

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But now you're proposing something that doesn't solve the problem for the vast majority of people, since nearly everyone is neither the International Criminal Court nor Vladimir Putin.

It might solve it for the majority of people by compute use, though. Charge $100,000 one time auditing fee to get approved for it. For a Fortune 500 company or EU government agency or a big NGO that's nothing.

One-time anything doesn't work for security, not least because if they're trying to betray you they can change whatever they want as soon as your auditors leave the premises.

Notice also that you're only handling the entities large enough to do things in-house to begin with. Meanwhile one of the biggest problems here is industrial espionage, which is to say startups with interesting new technology.

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Post by ForHackernews »

SidewaysView wrote: post #220
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a specific thing has changed. It used to be that when the US did something bad, people would point to the constitution and the American ideals and say "this isn't living up to our promise". Now instead when people point to the constitution and American ideals people say "those were written by dead white men" as if to justify cynically discarding them in favor of something heinous.

The promise of slavers and slavery? The promise of whiteness and empire? The propaganda of the dying and dead so-called enlightenment? What other promises have you ever had? What did you think justice meant? You losers talking of WW2 and Rome. Now sit back down.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But 100 years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself in exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition. In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check.

When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men — yes, Black men as well as white men — would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked insufficient funds.

But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt.

We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

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Post by MichaelZuo »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #227
MichaelZuo wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn’t sound well reasoned. If the USA were to ever weaken into irrelevance then yes messing with foreign HarmonyOS users might have some possibility that can’t be easily dismissed. As long as the USA doesn’t become completely toothless then the incentives would point in the opposite… as long as Huawei behave scrupulously they are nearly guaranteed to win and dethrone the incumbents for most of the world.

The US has already banned Huawei from doing business in the US. Moreover, everybody knows how the enshittification cycle works at this point. They don't openly betray you when they have 0.3% market share, they just fit you for a noose that gets tighter as their market power increases. But because everybody now expects that to happen, who is going to use it to begin with if it's not open source and correspondingly res…

Did you misread some words?

I dont see how US decisions on Huawei are relevant to the prospects of HarmonyOS in the future, when that’s already been priced in?

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