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Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Post by hhjinks »

tastyface wrote: post #208
hhjinks wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm certain I could not raise a novel theological perspective on Chrstianity even if I devoted my entire life to it. But from what I can tell, killing is not a black stain that precludes you from salvation. God is good, and He is forgiving.

You have to seek forgiveness and truly understand the nature of your transgression against your fellow man, not be like "welp, collateral damage is just part of the job."

Sure, I'd say that's a requisite for believing in Christ. But like I said, that belief can be sparked after what seems like any number of transgressions.

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Post by QuantumNoodle »

tim-star wrote: post #219
QuantumNoodle wrote: post #216

I want to see more of "I'm rejecting this offer to work for Google bc my moral compass" not from folks who are paid out and ready for the next thing already.

its funny how long some people wait to decide the company they work for has lost their moral compass. "dont be evil" is already 8 years dead at this point.

I mean, I get it. I have a family, financial obligations, etc. Certainly not shaming anyone for fulfilling those obligations working for a successful company. But don't put yourself up on a pedestal and cloak yourself in righteousness behind a veil of strong morals.

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Post by QuantumNoodle »

pyb wrote: post #217
QuantumNoodle wrote: post #213

Looks like he updated his "About me" section > At the moment, my main focus is [...] fighting against (governmental or corporate) mass surveillance While he always had "Ethics in Computer Science” as an interest, I wonder what blinds people into accepting offers at Google -- the advertising company. I want to take his words as sincere, but Google has been privacy violating for longer than his tenure with android. Mon…

To me, Google switched the "Evil bit" around the time of the Dragonfly debacle (2018) If OP is only seeing the problems now, they must have been selectively blind.

I mean, I get it. I have a family, financial obligations, etc. Certainly not shaming anyone for fulfilling those obligations working for a successful company. But don't put yourself up on a pedestal and cloak yourself in righteousness behind a veil of strong morals

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Post by hhjinks »

impossiblefork wrote: post #211
hhjinks wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought accepting and believing in Jesus as Lord was all you needed to enter heaven? John 6:40 (KJV) 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

If you believe something, that will obviously have consequences on your actions, so there's obviously no inconsistency between the verse you quote and what he said.

Sure there is. They're a Christian, and think any action that causes death directly or indirectly condemns you to hell, and it's not given that you can repent. But scripture says belief in Christ will save your immortal soul, and that God is forgiving and merciful. That is not consistent with OPs views, who puts salvation as a "maybe" if you've caused death. If you find a genuine faith in Christ after the fact, you will be saved.

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Post by pjmlp »

tastyface wrote: post #162
hintymad wrote: post #123

Personally, I don't get why people blindly reject any collaboration with the military. I understand that they are pacifists, but I still don't get it. When I look at history, I see so many tragedies caused by being weak. Both Germany and the Soviet Union were able to invade Poland, for instance, and the Katyn massacre is a national scar. And who wouldn't want to defeat invaders like Genghis Khan? Have you ever heard…

I can't speak for anyone else, but as a Christian, it's really quite simple: any death that you help cause is a black mark on your soul. Maybe you can repent for it, someday. But it's not something that will just be let go when the day of reckoning comes. Incidentally, I'd feel the same way about killing someone in self-defense.

As someone from a Catholic country I always find hard how we mix that peaceful message with was was done in destruction to this day in the name of spreading faith since the ruling religions changed a few centuries ago.

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Post by pjmlp »

lbrito wrote: post #24

>“Don’t Be Evil” wasn’t just a slogan (...) —it was a north star for teams making hard calls I've developed an involuntary, muscle-level reflex that forces me to close the tab immediately when I read these "not just X -- it was Y" LLMisms. I realize the author might be human and am sorry if that's the case, but I can't help it.

I love this dichotomy.

"Look what I did with Claude, LLMs are going to change our world!"

"Lame author, used an LLM to write a blog post."

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Post by impossiblefork »

hhjinks wrote: post #224
impossiblefork wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe something, that will obviously have consequences on your actions, so there's obviously no inconsistency between the verse you quote and what he said.

Sure there is. They're a Christian, and think any action that causes death directly or indirectly condemns you to hell, and it's not given that you can repent. But scripture says belief in Christ will save your immortal soul, and that God is forgiving and merciful. That is not consistent with OPs views, who puts salvation as a "maybe" if you've caused death. If you find a genuine faith in Christ after the fact, you w…

But scripture also says that many people will believe that they are holy and will be saved, and won't be, and this is one of Jesus's parables.

So it's far from clear. People who believe will have works, this is also something with scriptural support. So if you are doing harm, such as by killing people, you probably don't.

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Post by NicuCalcea »

hintymad wrote: post #123

Personally, I don't get why people blindly reject any collaboration with the military. I understand that they are pacifists, but I still don't get it. When I look at history, I see so many tragedies caused by being weak. Both Germany and the Soviet Union were able to invade Poland, for instance, and the Katyn massacre is a national scar. And who wouldn't want to defeat invaders like Genghis Khan? Have you ever heard…

In this specific instance, this is the military of a country different from the one of the author. A country that is increasingly hostile towards its allies and does weird shit on the international stage that is difficult to justify.

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Post by cbruns »

rayiner wrote: post #128
hintymad wrote: post #123

Personally, I don't get why people blindly reject any collaboration with the military. I understand that they are pacifists, but I still don't get it. When I look at history, I see so many tragedies caused by being weak. Both Germany and the Soviet Union were able to invade Poland, for instance, and the Katyn massacre is a national scar. And who wouldn't want to defeat invaders like Genghis Khan? Have you ever heard…

It's because Americans and many Europeans under the shield of the U.S. military and have never in their lives felt a moment of fear about external threats.[1] They never have to meaningfully confront the central fact of their existence: that they enjoy a vastly disproportionate share of the world's bounty in a way that would be impossible without overwhelming military power. I suspect people living in say Ukraine don…

The cold war and kids practicing sheltering under their desks never happened?
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