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MiMo Code is now released and open-source
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Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
> at a Sonnet 4.6-level model MiMo v2.5.0-Pro is honestly the first Chinese model that I've tried where I really though why should I use Claude Sonnet when I can get the same results for a fraction of the cost. There was always something off about Chinese models that made it apparent that it couldn't fully compete with GPT, Claude, Gemini, etc. but this was the first model where I was like, this feels like Sonnet. I…
Is there a guide to running these models locally? Sonnet level inference on my own hardware would be world changing. I have Claude but I don't want to ask it because Anthropic could decide to sabotage me.
They won't be giving this away, at least not for some years. It almost certainly has distillation data embedded in it, and that would be a smoking gun.
Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Furthermore, their pricing plan is insanely cheap, they even upped usage limit for their cheapest plan, lite plan, which is at 5$ / month. Unless something changed their plans aren't really worth getting. They're not that much cheaper than the per-token rates, and because it's a plan, you have to contend with weird usage restrictions. You're better off paying per-token unless you have some use case that demands a ve…
Wow. I saw 4.1B credits and thought it was super generous. But my math says the subscription plan gives less value than the API. For example, API input is $0.435 / M tokens, which works out to 13.79 M tokens for $6. Plan is 300 credits per input token, which works out to 13.67 M tokens at 4.1B credits per $6. Very similar math for cache input and output.
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Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source
#224Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…
Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.
Because there is literally nothing special about coding hardnesses. The models are doing all the lifting. It just user experience that separates them.
A coding hardness with just bash outperforms Codex, Claude Code, OpenCode, Pi ect. The added features are just user experience features.
Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looks like they have very effective collaboration with DeepSeek and Kimi. Those three models have been bouncing ideas and sharing R&D innovation, which made all of them improve very fast. Based solely on quality and price, OpenAI, Anthropic, and other western models just can't compete with the new generation of Chinese open models.
>Looks like they have very effective collaboration with DeepSeek and Kimi. The collaboration is informal. People don’t seem to realize this, but the Chinese internet for programmers and developers today feels a lot like StackExchange in its heyday. There’s a huge emphasis on sharing knowledge, because sharing what you know builds your profile, and becoming a rockstar in a subfield is one of the only ways to get ahead…
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Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there a guide to running these models locally? Sonnet level inference on my own hardware would be world changing. I have Claude but I don't want to ask it because Anthropic could decide to sabotage me.
They won't be giving this away, at least not for some years. It almost certainly has distillation data embedded in it, and that would be a smoking gun.
What? I just searched the web and the results say MiMo V2.5 Pro is fully open source. The weights seem to be out there.
Distillation is not a problem.
Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.
Because there is literally nothing special about coding hardnesses. The models are doing all the lifting. It just user experience that separates them. A coding hardness with just bash outperforms Codex, Claude Code, OpenCode, Pi ect. The added features are just user experience features.
If harnesses are basically doing nothing, why would these metrics vary so widely?
https://www.endorlabs.com/research/ai-code-security-benchmar...
There's a lot of ways to configure agents and any implicit configuration to harnesses may have a non-trivial effect.
Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source
#228Claude and Codex pricing will eventually have to come down, for most common coding tasks you don't need a super smart slow model but a smart-enough and very fast one.
Most importantly, we need a model that doesn't randomly refuse us when we ask it to do something, or worse, deliberately sabotages us when it thinks we're building competing products. Like Anthropic's Fable.
Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source
#229Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…
Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.
Because they steal everything to train their models. They literally make you pay for the "commons" knowledge
Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because there is literally nothing special about coding hardnesses. The models are doing all the lifting. It just user experience that separates them. A coding hardness with just bash outperforms Codex, Claude Code, OpenCode, Pi ect. The added features are just user experience features.
If harnesses are basically doing nothing, why would these metrics vary so widely? https://www.endorlabs.com/research/ai-code-security-benchmar... There's a lot of ways to configure agents and any implicit configuration to harnesses may have a non-trivial effect.
It's because they do things that is why they score differently. Coding hardness add features for user experience not for agent efficiency. If they did all the coding hardnesses would be using bash and code mode and letting the agents write code to perform tasks but this doesn't work because you want humans in the loop. You want users to be able to approve and deny writes. You want uses to see edits. So you have to build tool for these. It's hard to show diffs when the agent is just using bash.