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Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Re: Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Post by wincy »

vablings wrote: post #105
neutronicus wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been frustrated with Copilot in this regard. I work on a large C++ codebase, with large files. Human developers jump around between files with the Visual Studio fuzzy search, set breakpoints to trace execution in the Debugger, use the IDE's refactoring tools. Microsoft's answer to this was to just ... expose none of this to their Agent Mode!? Replace the working semantic autocomplete with fucking lies!? Maybe it…

tool_call is just a fancy wrapper to a black box that executes console commands. Said commands are now the actual backbone of all agentic AI, It feels like the linux people are incredibly vindicated in the single responsibility principle

Codex did take control of chrome to run a skill I’d given it for a website without an API the other day. It can do it but it’s excruciatingly slow compare to the tool calls for sure.

Re: Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Post by seveibar »

ElFitz wrote: post #49
karmicthreat wrote: post #18

Adafruit probably did a review of AI PCB tools. I've used Flux.ai before; it was a pretty bad experience. After about 50-100$ in tokens a couple of times, I couldn't get more than a couple of simple components on the schematic. And not in sensible positions. The product just grinds tokens for little return, in my opinion. I had far better luck wiring together KiCad MCP, SKIDL. There are some AI-driven autorouters out…

> Placement is probably the big issue that needs to be solved now. Would some sort of constraint-solving algorithm help with that? Something like (but not necessarily) Cassowary[0]? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what is meant by placement though; I don't have much domain knowledge in PCBs / electronics. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43362528

We work on this a lot at tscircuit, and we've used cassowary (i.e. flexbox-style) constraint solvers. The issue with cassowary/flexbox is PCBs are not as uniform as webpages w.r.t. alignment, and often have a much less nested structure (3 layers) vs web pages which have many many nested layers. CSS grid-style constraints are a much better fit IMO, but we eventually settled on sequential optimal packing[1] for "seeding" a placement so that AI can get initial positions before working in a feedback loop. I like sequential optimal packing because it's very very deterministic and the constraints are specified pretty close to how a human would specify them

[1] https://blog.autorouting.com/p/sequential-optimal-packing-fo...

Re: Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Post by mlhpdx »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #102

> Adafruit accessed only information that Flux’s own systems made publicly available through a server misconfiguration Does anyone have some more context about what happened here? An uncharitable analogy might be that I misconfigured my front door by not locking it, which doesn't give someone the right to walk in and look around - but I have no idea what Adafruit is specifically being accused of doing.

If you leave your door wide open folks on the sidewalk can take pictures and write about what they see all day long.

Re: Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Post by cj »

altaccount2026 wrote: post #46
zettabomb wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, but I'm not sure if you can say - has Adafruit ever published anything about Flux?

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This comment was dead. I vouched for it to un-dead it...

As an outsider with zero context, I'm having a hard time understanding what's going on with this whole thing.

The tone of the conversation is giving me flashbacks to the Matt Mullenweg debacle.

Re: Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Post by deweywsu »

karmicthreat wrote: post #18

Adafruit probably did a review of AI PCB tools. I've used Flux.ai before; it was a pretty bad experience. After about 50-100$ in tokens a couple of times, I couldn't get more than a couple of simple components on the schematic. And not in sensible positions. The product just grinds tokens for little return, in my opinion. I had far better luck wiring together KiCad MCP, SKIDL. There are some AI-driven autorouters out…

Same for my experience.

Re: Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Post by mijoharas »

kasabali wrote: post #3

What's the context here?

My guess is that Adafruit tried flux.ai, noticed a server misconfiguration, contacted flux about it, and then received a cease and desist to prevent them disclosing the vulnerability publicly.

(AFAICT they haven't published anything yet? If they have it's been taken down).

There's a definite bit of Streisand effect here because I for one am very much looking forward to finding out what the deal is.

Re: Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Post by pavel_lishin »

UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #108
pavel_lishin wrote: post #102

> Adafruit accessed only information that Flux’s own systems made publicly available through a server misconfiguration Does anyone have some more context about what happened here? An uncharitable analogy might be that I misconfigured my front door by not locking it, which doesn't give someone the right to walk in and look around - but I have no idea what Adafruit is specifically being accused of doing.

That isn’t legal in most jurisdictions either. You’re not a lawyer.

That's rather my point.

And yep, I'm not a lawyer - and even if I were, I couldn't begin to speculate about this post because it says so little.

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Post by cyberax »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #72
trollbridge wrote: post #70

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AI can’t really spell check without risking changing the meaning of sentences. Spell checking was a solved problem before this.

Spellchecking is absolutely not a solved problem. I immediately disable spellchecking on every avenue it tries to approach because managing a bunch of dictionaries on every browser/device/application that has its own spellchecker for some godforsaken reason to not have squigglies spammed over every piece of jargon, slang, and slightly atypical spelling is incredibly annoying. I don't know how effective LLMs are, but…

Try the LanguageTool. It's now good enough to show smelling pisstakes inside my IDE, including things like missing articles. Without creating tons of visual noise.
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