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Does anybody like React?

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Re: Does anybody like React?

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Post by TonyStr »

b4ckup wrote: post #216
hieKVj2ECC wrote: post #201

After spending so long writing React code, I'm now working on a large Vue project at work. Everyone used to say Vue was the easier of the two, the more approachable option — but I'm starting to see it differently. React, in its elegance, gives you components that are essentially just functions — and beyond that, there's not much more to it (setting aside the whole Next.js ecosystem). It's the most elegant thing I've…

I never get this take. A react component is not just a function, it's a function plus a magically injected context that is accessed through hooks which requires all kinds of guarantees that you have to be aware of otherwise it will have hard to debug consequences. Imo it's anything but elegant. I did projects in all major frameworks and am building a huge angular web app currently. In angular a component is represent…

Maybe you would prefer React's class-based syntax. It's still there if you want to use it

Re: Does anybody like React?

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Post by janalsncm »

pibaker wrote: post #210
r0m4n0 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never been able to pick the framework and libraries for my day job. I’m almost always working on something someone started years prior or bound to an organization that has strict choices. Personally I wouldn’t pick react :) React wins because it has become a default choice and folks like what’s comfortable to their preferences

I mean, that means someone at your work liked React enough to choose it over the alternatives. I see a lot of personal projects, solo founder applications etc running made in React. I respect your opinion but other people definitely do choose it when they have fully control of what they use.

That doesn’t mean they like it now, and more importantly it doesn’t mean it was actually the best choice at the time.

I used to be on a team that used Mongo for a relational database because Mongo was trendy at one time. So all joins had to be done in the application layer.

Re: Does anybody like React?

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Post by TonyStr »

pibaker wrote: post #210
r0m4n0 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never been able to pick the framework and libraries for my day job. I’m almost always working on something someone started years prior or bound to an organization that has strict choices. Personally I wouldn’t pick react :) React wins because it has become a default choice and folks like what’s comfortable to their preferences

I mean, that means someone at your work liked React enough to choose it over the alternatives. I see a lot of personal projects, solo founder applications etc running made in React. I respect your opinion but other people definitely do choose it when they have fully control of what they use.

Most decision-makers make decisions based on what they already know. Most of my colleagues only know React, because they've only been exposed to React. Why do you think Java dominates the market still? React solved a huge problem when it was new, and it still solves that problem fine (change detection - the reactivity model). There are better alternatives available now (Vue - signals), but the difference isn't big enough to create a new monoculture. Sure there are peripheral concerns like how mature the ecosystem is or the particular ergonomics of a framework, but these are mostly fluff.

Re: Does anybody like React?

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Post by lthi747 »

hajile wrote: post #96
digitaltrees wrote: post #49

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But why over vue? My biggest frustration has been how vue ends up moving in the direction of react. The original component architecture with the html template, JavaScript state and css styles in vue was so nice. Even the data fetching a url in the component was so intuitive.

Vue doesn't solve problems better than React (and solves them worse if you have to learn all their proprietary files and DSLs instead of JSX), so there's not much of a reason to switch. The real discussion would be between React's vdom and something like Solid's signals.

So JSX is not proprietary?

Re: Does anybody like React?

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Post by rbbydotdev »

Open source tech is a marketplace of ideas. If you have a more perfect alternative then it will prevail.

Granted none of these critics have a viable tried and true alternative. It’s easy to throw shade at any abstraction. None will ever be perfect!

That said, I welcome any new paradigms and ideas. But discounting how far we’ve come with what’s possible on the frontend with hand waves just doesn’t cut it for me.

Re: Does anybody like React?

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Post by Cakez0r »

pibaker wrote: post #81

Of course people do. No one is forced to use React or any other web framework unlike how they are practically forced to use JavaScript, and yet React wins. This should be enough evidence that people like it enough, at least more than most other frameworks out there. It is also somewhat ironic that until late 2010s a common complaint about web development is how fast it changes and how many new things are coming up al…

React does have its benefits, but there is also a tendency to pick it because of the inertia it has over whether it is the best tool for the job. "Everyone uses react and this will maximize our hiring pool / set of contractors we can use", "A react project will look good on my resume".

Re: Does anybody like React?

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Post by derfurth »

rbbydotdev wrote: post #225

Open source tech is a marketplace of ideas. If you have a more perfect alternative then it will prevail. Granted none of these critics have a viable tried and true alternative. It’s easy to throw shade at any abstraction. None will ever be perfect! That said, I welcome any new paradigms and ideas. But discounting how far we’ve come with what’s possible on the frontend with hand waves just doesn’t cut it for me.

I am wondering how much the "perfect alternative then it will prevail" still holds given the amount of money spent on marketing by infrastructure companies, for example Vercel that have an interest in promoting Next.

Re: Does anybody like React?

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Post by youngtaff »

rbbydotdev wrote: post #225

Open source tech is a marketplace of ideas. If you have a more perfect alternative then it will prevail. Granted none of these critics have a viable tried and true alternative. It’s easy to throw shade at any abstraction. None will ever be perfect! That said, I welcome any new paradigms and ideas. But discounting how far we’ve come with what’s possible on the frontend with hand waves just doesn’t cut it for me.

> Open source tech is a marketplace of ideas. If you have a more perfect alternative then it will prevail.

React has had Facebook promoting it for over a decade… it's hardly a marketplace of ideas… more "Facebook is using this so it must be good enough for us"

Re: Does anybody like React?

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Post by yard2010 »

saghm wrote: post #156
kristiandupont wrote: post #147

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What people mean is obviously that you use JS primitives for looping, branching, conditionals, etc. over some DSL. Everybody knows that the tags are added syntax, there is no conspiracy here.

"These burgers are pure beef! Obviously what people mean is that beef is one of the ingredients. Everyone knows that the plastic is added in, there's no conspiracy here"

It's like arguing the moon and sun are the same size because they look the same size when looking at the sky. A hamburger with added plastic is essentially a hamburger. A hamburger made out of plastic that resembles beef is not.
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