deepseek is building an official coding harness, why would anyone waste time on such 3rd party toy when official one is coming probably in weeks?
DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
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#222As someone who has been writing harnesses for a year: the people at opencode etc aren't stupid, when they decide to break the prefix cache [usually partially] it's always because they've tested it and it gives better results overall. If you think that dsv4 behaves differently enough from the aggregate of other models, submit a PR with a patch to special case that to your harness of choice with evidence. Just blindly…
Are there any learning resources you'd recommend on writing harnesses? I'm interested in doing a non-coding one, but not really sure where to start.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Hats off to the deekseek team for creating a great product I have been using it for a while, and I wholeheartedly agree. imo, it is as good as codex or claude which I also use. It is a winner in the cost-sensitive tier, and if some startup could put it together with data-retention in mind, it could be a great product sold to the enterprise, as data-retention and privacy are the main issues for the coding-assistant…
Deepseek v4 pro is definitely my preferred cheap model, it's very good, and I use it all the time for my personal projects (opencode go plan), but I also use Claude Opus all the time at work and Deepseek is not as good as that, but it does compete with Sonnet for capability, and beats it on price.
I genuinely don’t think you need Opus 4.7/GPT-5.5 tier models for 95% of tasks in a normal workplace
People are out there using frontier intelligence to make responsive headers and weekly work reports. Absolutely don’t need the latest and greatest models for this stuff
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#224I'm not sure you need a "DeepSeek native coding agent" to take advantage of DeepSeeks cache, yesterday as the Codex quota usage issue still wasn't solved for me, I wrote a tiny little bridge so I could use DeepSeek V4 Pro via Codex, and seems most of everything I did was basically cached as far as I can tell: https://i.imgur.com/7eKn6wN.png (2026-05-23 Input (Cache hit): 39,123,200 tokens, Input (Cache miss) 1,692,28…
Opencode has really bad cache stability issues that they seem uninterested in fixing at the moment.
What I noticed when using OpenCode with llama.cpp, was that the default host RAM prompt cache size in llama.cpp was way too small for say 128k Qwen3.6 27B.
The default is just 8GB and a full 128k context for the dense model can take most of that. So then comes an agent and causes eviction and subsequent cache miss.
Bumped the cache size (--cram IIRC) up to 48GB and had much better results.
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#225Isn't caching a server-side thing? How does the agent affect it, significantly at least?
Say you put the current time down to the second in the system prompt, which is the message that goes in front of the entire conversation, then basically nothing will be cached, every agent turn needs to ingest the entire session over and over. Contrast to not doing that, and the backend can leverage caching all the way up to the latest message, as nothing until then changed.
That's not necessarily true, you can have multiple cache points, see e.g. https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt...
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m feeling more a novice every day, but how isn’t this just handing over your code to team deepseek for whatever they might want
there's laws on the books in China that says that every company operating in China must aid and abet the Chinese government in espionage against the rest of the world. given those facts, I find it deeply troubling to be using anything coming out of China, especially a program that runs in the context of a Linux terminal on a machine that might have something important on it. I'd argue it's a back door waiting to happ…
Yes, and the Russians are still coming!
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#227Maybe the first problem this tool can tackle is creating a better web page? Content continually shifting, super annoying.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a European I have to admit I am these days more worried about the US than China. See yesterday's article about the US government forcing Microsoft to give them lists of Dutch government officials. Utter madness. At least the Chinese mainly care about the money and power levers, the US about strange worlds of revenge and manipulation, trying to change or influence your government. E.g. which of the two countries ha…
The situation you reference is related to a specific investigation by US congress requesting documents about potentially illegal censorship actions by EU officials from a specific company (microsoft). The difference is that the laws in china are broadly defined to include giving all intellectual property of anyone back to the government with no oversight, for the purposes of espionage. The former relates to a specifi…
> The US has no laws on the books
Correct. They come up on Twitter daily. Pardon, this other truth bullshit.
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Exactly this. I don't care about the US more than about Russia or China these days. They are definitely not our allies anymore.
you dont need to be allies to do business. walmart is not my ally.
True, but then I expect them to betray me at any junction and I'll gladly do the same.