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At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025
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Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flock?
If flock is paying people to support destroying flock cameras, sign me up!
Well, semi-plausible, a wave of "violence" against their cameras would surely excuse installing even more cameras to prevent said "violence".
Never underestimate 5D chess mastery of big money and big agendas.
Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025
#223not sure why people are bothering with destruction, just drive around and shut them down wirelessly. some newer models require a button to be pressed for them to start the AP, but still leaves them vulnerable to attacks with a long stick and doesn't draw any attention while hundreds of cameras suddenly stop working, making the city government think they're unreliable.
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Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025
#22425 cameras destroyed over the course of a year, and more than half were destroyed by a single person. This doesn't appear to be a widespread concern the headline makes it out to be.
So Americans (plural) is true, since there are > 1 people smashing cameras. (:
I would love to use AI to re-write article headlines into non-ragebait slop.
Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
The irony is destruction of private property will only justify the very surveillance one is trying to avoid. Would you agree ring cameras should be destroyed too? The police can use their footage. In practice they are similar to flock.
That justification is a red herring. The goal is the surveillance, and safety is just an interchangeable excuse. It should be obvious when they'll do things like increasing surveillance to "protect the children" and at the same time avoid other measures that would be far more effective at keeping children safe. The real irony is when it turns out they themselves were the biggest danger for children all along.
It matters because while the choice of excuse doesn't really matter to the surveilling end, they still need to make the excuse with the fig leaf of plausibility. The worse their excuses look, the easier it is for you to convince other people who don't already agree with you that you're right and they're wrong.
Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025
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How about addressing the root causes of crime (i.e. poverty) instead of suppressing the symptoms by pushing crime out of politically powerful areas into politically marginalized areas? I'm not a fan of vandalism and luckily I'm living in a country where I have the law on my side when demanding that public space is not surveilled indiscriminately, but I totally understand the urge to simply take a stick to a camera th…
El Salvador solved crime without solving poverty. It can be done. You may not want to do it.
Crime is also a direct cause of poverty. There is reverse causality. For example, it depresses housing prices and it deters shops from opening in poor areas.
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I'd like to see your legal reasoning on how harvesting them is constitutional.
Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025
#228I've warmed to LLM-generated/assisted writing in general but this kind of stuff is just lazy and is basically "I got Claude to say something I agree with and then made it pretty".
A browser plugin that scores webpage content based on how likely it is to have been AI-generated would be quite useful. Browser vendors can't build this.
I work somewhere that tries to do such detection (for fraud prevention) and it sort of feels impossible to me in the medium term. AI slop qualities are fleeting - I’ve seen Reddit AI posts that have misspelled words, no dashes, stilted sayings and so on.
People want their slop to be undetectable.
Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025
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Great, deploy cameras there, and have them monitored by the local police for violent crime.
Don’t:
- use the cameras to capture license plates, vehicle type/color/trim/stickers/personalization, and individual persons with clear biometric markers like faces, gait etc
- use that data to populate a commercial database of citizen movements spanning the nation, which can be used to trivially match to an identity (if that annotation isn’t present already)
- permit wide access to that commercial database to surveillance companies, guided by a terms of service authored by your company rather than by legislative bodies
- use that database to train a “pre-crime” artificial intelligence model which will be monetized
- implement an access system for law enforcement which facilitates warrantless access of citizen movements
All of the above are in place or are stated goals of flock et al.
Is this controversial?
Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025
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Oakland California has about 200,000 cameras if we include public and private cameras, substantially more than other cities.
It also has substantially more robberies than the average city.
What evidence do you have that these cameras are preventing crime? Why would you mistake these cameras for a solution?
It seems to me that you've tacitly acknowledged that the thing you refer to as a "solution" is ineffective at best, and does nothing at all for the specific crime you called out (mugging).