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WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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post #211

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> Ebola is deadly if you catch it but it is not very contagious at all This isn't straight Ebolavirus (Zaire), but this thing [1]. We don't have enough data yet to confirm it spreads like Ebola among humans. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundibugyo_ebolavirus

Fine, but "we don't know" != "it's a big deal". All I see here is wild speculation.

But also "we don't know"! = "it's NOT a big deal".

I'm OK with some caution.

Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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post #196

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> COVID, I believe, had about a 1% rate, in the OG variant, and that brought the world to a standstill. The claims that caused lockdowns were 3-10% death rate. The world was brought to a standstill primarily due to massive fearmongering. The earliest high rates came from three things: Conflation of "infection" and "case", rationing of tests to people doctors were already pretty sure had been exposed (suppressing the…

Lockdowns were not after very very early numbers ever based on lies or fearmongering. The fatality rate we observed in the developed world was based on bad cases being able to receive prompt treatment. Had it expanded faster it risked not only infecting a larger portion of the population pre-vaccination but also seeing more people who would have been salvageable with treatment dying innecessarily. Pretending we could…

Also, in my country, more hospitalizations would be quite severe, as the hospitals are already short staffed. There were also not enough masks for everyone to mitigate it.

I think a lot of anti-lock down claims are too simplistic. There were too many unknowns, and there's little consensus about the ideal outcomes.

(I'm a bit biased: I was able to do remote work and move to my parents house, which is quite spacious and near the woods, so I could go outside a bit - so it didn't affect my finances or mental health too much)

Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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post #215

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If them not fishing means your people are at risk, you go and teach them to fish.

No, it raises the question of what is going wrong if you've spent the last x years teaching them to fish and they still refuse to. Either your approach, their willingness or something else has clearly gone wrong here.

Them not willing to fish still puts your people at risk. At the end of the day you guys still haven’t managed to build the wall and keep “aliens” away…

Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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post #39

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In this case I'd guess the DOGE cuts to foreign aid are a massive, massive contributor to the problem. A lot of third-world countries heavily relied on USAID et al to keep basic sanitation and healthcare going.

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How about the poor, just stop being poor?

Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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post #196

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> COVID, I believe, had about a 1% rate, in the OG variant, and that brought the world to a standstill. The claims that caused lockdowns were 3-10% death rate. The world was brought to a standstill primarily due to massive fearmongering. The earliest high rates came from three things: Conflation of "infection" and "case", rationing of tests to people doctors were already pretty sure had been exposed (suppressing the…

I try to keep an open mind, and this is something that you might legitimately convince me of. However: 1. A comment on this forum is not really the place to convince people of such a bold claim. It deserves at least an article/blog post, and maybe even a short book. 2. There is a large jump between the claims [the initial fatality estimate was high] and [the world was brought to a standstill due to fearmongering]. Th…

I used to have an open mind about this myself, until I saw the other side of healthcare.

Even with the lockdowns, Covid nearly overwhelmed the healthcare system in America. It led to a massive nursing shortage as nurses quit. The system could not have handled more cases appearing faster.

Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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post #8

First hantavirus now this. Look, there's valid reason to be concerned here but people who are fearing a repeat of the Covid-19 pandemic are seemingly missing why Covid was a pandemic. Covid spread so much for four main reasons: 1. It could spread airborne; 2. It spread relatively easily. Not quite measles-level of contagiousness but still, pretty good; 3. Unlike something like the flu, there really wasn't any kind of…

You missed lab origin and cover up during the initial spread.

Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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By "imported ebola" you of course mean repatriated a fine American citizen: > Brantly attended Abilene Christian University in Texas, where he earned an undergraduate degree in biblical text in 2003. It was here, at ACU, where he pledged Pi Kappa, a men's social club founded on a deep sense of Christian brotherhood, regardless of which denomination that member belonged to Say what you or I will about religion, this i…

A fine American citizen with ebola

Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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post #207

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Most people don't think COVID-19 was/is "fake" per se. Most people just think the situation was overblown. It is a sickness most analogous to the common cold or flu. Both of which suck, both of which you SHOULD self-isolate for, although the conditions, spread and death toll is effectively the same (or lesser) than that of the cold or flu. Which no matter how you spin it, the Global restrictions were too harsh.

The majority of people believe something fake about Covid [1]. While the number of people who think it was a hoax or otherwsise completely fake is pretty low, I've seen figures that it was as high as 13% in the early pandemic, which is millions of people. We still have people who believe in ivermectin, don't believe in vaccines and somehow still think the vaccine is more dangerous despite there being at least 7 milli…

I couldn't agree with you more.

On this:

> What really scares me is how otherwise educated people can fall for the misinformation and absolutely nothing will convince them otherwise. It's basically a mind virus with no cure.

Its weird when you think about it in this way, but there's no evolutionary pressure for human beings to either become tame and servile and trusting of authority ("for their own good") or independent tinfoil-clad "freethinkers". We substituted evolutionary pressure that used to come from the environment and hardships of life for media consumption in a way that matchmaking/pair-bonding is done (for example) by what news channel you chose to follow. The search for "actual Truth" (with a big T, as in factual perception of reality) is not necessarily an evolutionary advantage. It can be an ecological hindrance. IMHO, this is downright unsettling.

At the same time, I understand how this type of mystical thinking can come from distrust in authority figures and organizations. For example, I know the approximate distance from the Earth to the moon, except I cannot ever really verify it, therefore I must source this information from third parties, such as Wikipedia. Thing is, I'm comfortable with the fact that the best answer I can give to some questions is "I don't know", but I'm pretty sure that there's no global conspiracy to hide from me the fact that the moon is actually a big piece of cheese.

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