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Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by twobitshifter »

phatfish wrote: post #172
pretzel5297 wrote: post #74

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I will do everything in my power to keep the tech bros out of my children's life. Yes, that includes being a responsible parent. It also includes societal norms being established. Just as was done for alcohol, nicotine, movies, porn mags ect. I guarantee you are not as dedicated as me trying to protect my kids, so there will be age gates, and that includes VPNs. Everyone knows VPNs are only used for getting shit for…

every corporation is running a vpn network. Every router manufacturer builds them into the firmware so you can safely access your home network. there’s a much bigger use case than free stuff.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by IshKebab »

aniviacat wrote: post #52
IshKebab wrote: post #41

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Times would be tough if we could only express thoughts noone thought before.

Times would definitely be better if people didn't repeat the same endless clichés.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by heresie-dabord »

verisimi wrote: post #160
heresie-dabord wrote: post #155

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> It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly." Nor can it, because it takes a village to raise a human being. And in this (global) village, we have determined that we will monetise everything... and for the victims, there's thoughts and prayers. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_and_prayers

Is your child my child? Should I involve myself in how you choose to bring up the child, if you espouse ideas I disagree with?

It depends on the harm that you witness. Your question does imply your awareness that parents are not/may not be intellectually (or even morally) competent.

In no Western society that I can name are parents omnipotent owners of their children. Parents may even lose custody of their children. If you know that parents are doing physical harm to children, you have a social obligation to try to do something for those children.

Even though we may turn a blind eye, we do have a social obligation to all children. Human anthropological history reflects this.

Although intellectual harm tends to be seen as sunken cost (and possibly "correctable"), social harm has intolerable consequences.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by SwtCyber »

mr-wendel wrote: post #199

Here is my beef. I'm pro-VPN. The ability to gain more control over who can track your online communication is a net-positive to me, personally and philosophically. However, I can't justify their existence from a utilitarian perspective. Practically speaking, when I look at the actual number of people affected by VPN I estimate that: - Very low: Protecting political activists and dissidents - Low: Circumvention of ov…

Age-gating VPNs fails, becausw it probably won't stop determined piracy or abuse, but it will make privacy tools feel abnormal, regulated, and less available to ordinary users and families

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by fc417fc802 »

lurkshark wrote: post #188
freedomben wrote: post #164

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While I agree with your comment at a high level, simply saying it's the parents job k thx bai is not going to cut it. Parents have to have the tools we need to do our jobs. I don't want the government touching it with a 10 foot pole, and no adults should have to give up their freedoms (these kids will be adults some day after all, so even if we're doing it "for the kids" we need to consider the world we're building f…

The part I don’t totally understand with the age verification laws is that as I understand it, the websites need to implement the age verification. It seems like the bad actors just won’t do that, and we could’ve made compliance easier for the good actors by just requiring something like the Restricted to Adults label as a meta tag. https://www.rtalabel.org/

Exactly. We need a standardized method for meta tags that accommodates arbitrary user (or rather service operator) defined categories. We also need a broad push to force all websites to adopt said tags so that parental controls can work effectively. Government enforcement of particular categories is one option there (but not the only one, browsers could just start refusing to load any site that doesn't send the tag).

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by SwtCyber »

juleiie wrote: post #79
robotswantdata wrote: post #7

1984 was meant to be a warning, not the UK’s digital infrastructure roadmap

1984 is extremely naive. It assumes that people will fight for their freedom and insane measures will be needed to keep them in check. So foolishly optimistic… people can’t wait to give freedom away if only they get a stable job and housing in exchange. Or if it hits these other guys they don’t like at the moment. It’s all much, much less dramatic than Orwell. It is an ordinary, everyday erosion of your rights until…

Most people probably don't "give away freedom" in some explicit bargain. They accept one small exception at a time: this restriction is for children, this one is for safety, this one is only for bad actors, this one is temporary

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by SwtCyber »

zkmon wrote: post #171

USA entities tend to think that terms like "privacy", "security" have same meanings and assumptions across the globe, and that the USA laws are universal. Maybe they also think that entire world is just as dumb or dumber than USA. For a start, you should consider this fact: Privacy for a bad actor goes directly against the security for citizens and good actors. So when you talk about privacy you are making an assumpt…

I agree that privacy and security are not identical, and that bad actors can benefit from privacy tools too. But I don't think that makes privacy a "lofty but meaningless" ideal

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by b65e8bee43c2ed0 »

Insimwytim wrote: post #207
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #124

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This wikipedia article is a great example of degenerate propaganda, that permeates anything historical/political on wikipedia. It doesn't even worth trying to correct, since correcting would imply that it has some worthy material, which it doesn't.

while I certainly agree that wikipedia is full of propaganda written by volunteer degenerates and paid shills, I'm not quite sure how is that relevant to this particular article. the amount of tangible evidence of that particular Soviet propaganda campaign is overwhelming. that name is still notorious there.
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