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Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by decimalenough »

vishnugupta wrote: post #201
freetime2 wrote: post #115

> The economics never worked either. An average Tesla Solar Roof costs approximately $106,000 before incentives, compared to roughly $60,000 for a traditional roof replacement plus conventional solar panels — a $46,000 premium. The payback period stretches to 15-25 years, compared to 7-12 years for traditional panels. Yikes that’s a lot of money. For most people buying solar, I think payback period is probably the bi…

> $106,000 before incentives, What's the capacity though. Either way this seems extremely high unless we are talking in terms of like 100kw or something. For reference, I recently installed hybrid/net-metered system set up at my home in India; 7kw solar with a 20kWh battery for around $10K. The biggest cost is for the batteries though. The panels themselves have become extremely low price and the prices continue to f…

It's not just solar panels, it's a roof replacement and solar panels. In high COL areas, the roof alone would likely cost you $10k+ these days.

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Post by Barbing »

Den_VR wrote: post #210
brikym wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it actually make sense financially vs investing in something else?

The Bottega Veneta of roof tiles.

$350 socks eh…

https://www.bottegaveneta.com/en-us/men-collection-us/men-ne...

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Post by elsonrodriguez »

dnnddidiej wrote: post #202
freetime2 wrote: post #115

> The economics never worked either. An average Tesla Solar Roof costs approximately $106,000 before incentives, compared to roughly $60,000 for a traditional roof replacement plus conventional solar panels — a $46,000 premium. The payback period stretches to 15-25 years, compared to 7-12 years for traditional panels. Yikes that’s a lot of money. For most people buying solar, I think payback period is probably the bi…

Recently got 14kw solar, 30kwh battery, heat pump water heater for c. 20k usd. installed. Edit: installed for me by trades in that price.

Self install?

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Post by gloosx »

How it's going with humans to Mars by 2024? Coast-to-Coast Full-Self Driving? 1 Million Robotaxis? 25000$ Model 2? Hyperloop? 2 trillion $ DOGE Cost Cuts?

Elon Musk is like that developer you hired which always promises "this feature will be ready tommorow" and it end's up in the backlog for 6 years. The richest person in the world who understood that the world is not built on trust anymore and all you need is hype.

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Post by SXX »

wat10000 wrote: post #102
SXX wrote: post #50

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Both self driving craze and car tunnel madness is only possible at all because how car centric US mindset is. If you even try to suggest that people could instead use good public transport and pedestrian infrastructure they would look at you like you are some sort of crazy. Musk just takes car centric society pipe dreams and sell it back to them. Like OMG you transiting to work and can safely stay in your phone 99% o…

I’ve traveled to a decent number of countries and the only city I’ve been to that wasn’t filled with cars was Venice. I love public transport and I wish the US would do it better, but cars are extremely common all over the place and self-driving is something that would get a lot of traction in lots of countries.

Any reasonable large city will be fully packed with cars unless it enforce high parking fees and congestion charges.

No matter how much car infrastructure you build and self driving will only make it worse because it will incentify car use.

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Post by eichin »

bruce511 wrote: post #184
HerbManic wrote: post #176

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Sorry I see I am being down voted. Understandable, I do come off a little like a jerk there. I am not anti solar in the least, I just kind it really fascinating how some folks who are very well meaning, also tend to love that they can show off their goodies. I wish it wasn't the case but alas this is how some folks are.

You're not supposed to be down-voted simply because folk "agree or not". Honestly, I don't agree with you though. Yes, there are ways for folk to signal virtue, and that happens, but I don't think solar power is one of those. Frankly the utility, and financial, returns are just too high. Obviously ymmv with regard to returns, but I'm getting 16% on capital invested (a number that keeps climbing as electricity costs r…

Just because there's actual virtue doesn't mean there isn't also virtue signalling going on... especially when it might be (in your particular circles) more taboo to talk about the actual numbers than the "doing it for the environment" part.

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Post by tweetle_beetle »

gloosx wrote: post #225

How it's going with humans to Mars by 2024? Coast-to-Coast Full-Self Driving? 1 Million Robotaxis? 25000$ Model 2? Hyperloop? 2 trillion $ DOGE Cost Cuts? Elon Musk is like that developer you hired which always promises "this feature will be ready tommorow" and it end's up in the backlog for 6 years. The richest person in the world who understood that the world is not built on trust anymore and all you need is hype.

To extend your metaphor further, it would be like also giving them performance bonuses and building them a new home office which they then rent out on AirBnB on the strength of those predictions.

> Tesla acquired SolarCity for $2.6 billion partly on the strength of this vision [of producing thousands

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