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The AI zombification of universities

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Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Do let us know where we can find a chemistry lab or biology lab or the facilities used for various other engineering undergraduates in a public library.

How about nuclear physics? Every undergraduate has access to the fission materials, right? Student doesn't need a specialized laboratory to learn things.

Just buy old clocks and extract the uranium in them...

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Ok but I need a job to live. And if I want to do something interesting I need the skills and knowledge which are learned at a college level.

Trade schools and apprenticeships exist. Trades can pay very well and frequently require nothing more than on the job training. You think you need college for the same reason you equate "job" with survival. These are not universal truths, not even in capitalist hellscape America. It might be harder but it is in no way a requirement. Anyone who tells you different is lying to you.

"hellscape"

Ugh, capitalism.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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The purpose of the university has always been certification. “You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for $1.50 in late fees at the public library." - Will Hunting

Do let us know where we can find a chemistry lab or biology lab or the facilities used for various other engineering undergraduates in a public library.

Those are for the grad students and faculty.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Read the last four words of the sentence you quoted. You'll find your answer.

Seems like a bit of a pipe dream, no? How does anything scale if you don't know how good or bad it is? How good is your kids school? How good is your business's supplier? Is this restaurant worth eating at? Am I getting underpaid? Etc

I did not say no measurement, I said favouring the measurement over what is measured.

It's declaring that you will buy the fastest car you see today and then someone delivering one from low earth orbit.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Do let us know where we can find a chemistry lab or biology lab or the facilities used for various other engineering undergraduates in a public library.

Those are for the grad students and faculty.

Having taken lab classes for undergraduates extensively, I assure you they're not.

Maybe liberal arts students and programmers can self-educate at a public library but many STEM fields cannot.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Profs can push back on this if they want. Not all of them want to (or want to justify pushback given their pay). For me when I teach, no laptops or phones in class along with in-class handwritten paper quizzes on course readings and concepts has helped a lot.

Some ad junct professors may be making 5-10k per course. It’s basically lower than minimum wage. We can’t expect them to police students enthusiastically when they’re paid so lowly.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Overall it’s a very good read, really enjoyed the author voice and style > I don’t think she was laughing two years later when I was TAing the class and we observed a fairly distinct gap of about 40 percentage points between the take-home test and the one administered in-person. 40pp is massive. Take homes are pretty much dead at that point. And not just in schools, but also for interviews. I don’t see how you can ge…

Tangental, but is Leetcode dead too? Part of me could foresee Leetcode being believed to be a stronger indicator now, since it would be unlikely that someone that can answer those questions would know absolutely nothing about programming. Then again, with LLMs, learning to answer those questions is probably easier now than ever. I haven't applied for a job in a decade, so I am utterly clueless on the current landscap…

I haven't considered that. I've been lucky enough that I never had to go through Leetcode. I have no idea how that will adapt to AI. That could be a stronger indicator, but I can also imagine that people will create tools that read the leedcode challenge and provide the answer. They likely already exist. If you have to do that live you can have a second monitor where the agent provides the solution and you fake writing it yourself during the interview.

Not looking forward to interviewing people in the coming years. I went through a good amount of recruiting over the past year+ and it was already frustrating to see how much AI people were using when asked explicitly to limit usage (because that kills the signals we were looking for)

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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post #224

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Seems like a bit of a pipe dream, no? How does anything scale if you don't know how good or bad it is? How good is your kids school? How good is your business's supplier? Is this restaurant worth eating at? Am I getting underpaid? Etc

I did not say no measurement, I said favouring the measurement over what is measured. It's declaring that you will buy the fastest car you see today and then someone delivering one from low earth orbit.

    favouring measurement
But the measurement is the only way to know how a thing is? What it is like? Whether it's this way or that way?

I'm not saying every method of measuring or every metric is equal, but there is no way to seriously engage with something without measuring it...?

The alternative is... what... vibes? Anecdotes? Taking the salesman at their word? Trusting that people just do the right thing all the time?

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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> ...how to do that without homework? Tests. Many of my university courses only graded on tests. They strongly encouraged you to do the homework to better understand the material, but didn't consider homework completion when calculating your grade. Consider that universities are educating adults who are -often- paying to be there. If we assume competent course design and instruction, if an adult chooses to not work o…

I liked the classes I had with a "reverse" format: the "homework" was done in-class, checked for correctness but not part of the grade, and the lecture was a recording watched at home.

That's the first I've heard of that format. I'm not sure what I think of it.

I think that watching the lecture (rather than reading a faithful transcription and referring to the video or photographs for the parts that require visual aids) would absolutely have destroyed me, but I'm not sure.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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More and more colleges are saying they will cancel your degrees if they retroactively detect AI cheating. This will be hysterical. AI isn't the issue as much how AI is used. Passive use of any tech, including social media, and now AI is lazy and has poor outcomes. Aligning AI use with the goals of all sides, and not just one side getting paid, or just one side graduating could look different. Most people attend highe…

It is very difficult for them to prove the allegation of AI cheating. If you didn't cheat, you should fight. You have legal rights, and you don't have to roll over. I represent students who have been unfairly accused of AI cheating. Properly defended, it is not that easy for the school to win.

There are more modern exhaustive ai scanners that are far beyond the dated software being sold to institutions.

Universities can be good at buying things to maintain the status quo and past. The issue with AI based software is it must actually keep pace. The tooling in this space does not seem to be.

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