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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by giancarlostoro »

dylan604 wrote: post #99
ezfe wrote: post #47

Just a note about Toyota specifically - There are many blog posts and articles out there alleging that Toyota shares your data with insurance companies. As I own two Toyota's I have read through these carefully and consistently the theme is that the owner was opted into this program without knowing it (likely by the sales person clicking through setup steps to enable every feature). If you are not opted in, I have se…

I've bought multiple Toyotas from the same dealer, and each time the sales person has been overly aggressive about setting up the app and connecting to the car. The first time I let them do it to a point as I had not seen what it did, but had to prevent them from syncing contacts. After that, I had to be very stern about not needing help to set up an app I was never going to use. I don't know if they are used to neop…

> I don't know if they are used to neophytes being unable to handle this and think they are doing a service or if it's a push to get people to connect/sync as much as possible.

Likely doing it to remove any frustrations from the brand new buyer being unable to figure out how to set it all up. The last thing you need is someone changing their mind about the car they just bought, because well if setting up the app is a PITA, what else is terrible about the car?

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by mothballed »

HenryBemis wrote: post #189
foresto wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Government leaders will never give up their pipeline of knowing everything about everyone. Then let us hire different leaders into government. Public servants, not overlords.

If you have noticed, every independent candidate almost never gets elected. Vast majority of those who say they will "change the country to the better" either never get elected or are ousted early on. And those who stay change their tune. I fear that only blackmail-able people with the potential to win elections, get the support, so that they are beholden to someone who ultimately gives them the job (e.g. funding the…

Someone tried to create an entirely new country with minimal governance by dumping sand on a submerged reef until it became an island[]. Even then it was quickly co-opted by the nearing statist powers (Tonga) with the blessing of western powers.

So it's not just that the primary process will crush anyone who will seriously roll back government powers. They won't even let anyone peacefully create an entirely new fucking island to try and get away from the tyrants and do it while leaving everyone else alone and not messing with the powers that be.

[] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by oblio »

hollow-moe wrote: post #218

Can't do that in Fr*nce and likely other European countries, all vehicles must have eCall and your vechicle might not pass the mandatory routine check you need to do once in a while to be allowed on the road. Hope you like biking a lot.

> Fr*nce

What's this?

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by drnick1 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #118
brewdad wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPS is receive only. If you've disabled the ability to send telemetry, there should be no reason to be concerned about the GPS antenna.

If it keeps collecting telemetry it could upload it later if it ever gets the chance. Better it isn't collected in the first place.

Good point, but in practice I think the only way onboard data could be exfiltrated is by a dealer while the car is being serviced. If you DIY or hire an independent mechanic, this seems unlikely.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by Cider9986 »

hollow-moe wrote: post #218

Can't do that in Fr*nce and likely other European countries, all vehicles must have eCall and your vechicle might not pass the mandatory routine check you need to do once in a while to be allowed on the road. Hope you like biking a lot.

Just use public transit.. oh, wait, (https://reclaimthenet.org/the-eurail-breach-and-the-digital-...)

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by tadfisher »

addaon wrote: post #186
dmitrygr wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In GM cars (as observed in my last few), the logic is in the head unit: "mic on -> hvac lower", while "hotword detect" uses a different "mic on" method that does not EDIT, previously "does not" above said "doe snot", which explains the reply below

I'm sure it's not great, but deer mucus is a bit of an extreme description.

I appreciate this comment, FWIW.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by happyPersonR »

stuckindoors wrote: post #162
eigencoder wrote: post #150

> Important: Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. How is this the case? I thought bluetooth was just sharing my phone's audio. Why would it allow requests over the internet? Surely there's a way to tell the phone not to give its internet connection to any conne…

When reading the article I think he appears to be talking about car play/android auto connection not audio only connections. I think Bluetooth in AA and Carplay is used to configure a local network between the phone and the car to transmit the images to the cars screen. I would assume that that data capability can also be used for the car to communicate with the Internet.

Does anyone have a flow log or pcap or something from the phone showing this tho?

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by jrmg »

IncandescentGas wrote: post #170
eigencoder wrote: post #150

> Important: Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. How is this the case? I thought bluetooth was just sharing my phone's audio. Why would it allow requests over the internet? Surely there's a way to tell the phone not to give its internet connection to any conne…

Is this specific to carplay, or can other bluetooth devices also silently and nefariously hijack your cellular data connection?

Neither CarPlay nor regular Bluetooth connections allow this. It’s not a thing.

(There is the ability to set up a Bluetooth hotspot on a phone and allow Internet sharing over Bluetooth, but that’s a different thing entirely and you have to explicitly set it up and use it. It’s also slow compared to a modern WiFi hotspot).

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