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I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by devsda »

monokai_nl wrote: post #124
vipshek wrote: post #98

> This website has been temporarily rate limited Feels a bit ironic... though this website is hosted on Cloudflare Workers so using an American company anyway?

Well this is nice. Apparently I reached some limits (thanks all), and had to pay Cloudflare more. Fair I guess, although some warning would've been nice. Tried multiple payment options multiple times just now and Cloudflare botched every time without giving me an error message. Finally managed to get it through on the 10th time. Please be gentle now :/

I want point out the other aspect of that decision to use cloudflare because the content is already public.

If your users are in a sanctioned region or a sanctioned entity it is entirely possible for cloudflare to deny serving them traffic. In a way your website users are still bound to the US policies even if you or your country doesnt approve of those sanctions.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by traceroute66 »

auggierose wrote: post #109
sevenzero wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most digital things in Europe are in fact much better. Lots of laws allow people to protect themselves from digital exploitation. I agree that there is a ton of bullshit as well though. Gotta dox myself with imprints for example, so I cant share my work with people without also doxing myself. Also as a hobbyist you pretty much need all the business documents as well, like a privacy policy even if its just a small pub…

Imprint is not needed everywhere in Europe. You need it in Germany, but you don't in the UK.

> You need it in Germany, but you don't in the UK

Erm, dude....

    - Companies Act 2006
    - Companies (Trading Disclosures) Regulations 2008 
    - Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Applies to business letters, order forms, websites, emails ....

Might not be called "imprint" in UK-speak, but its basically the same thing.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by recroad »

All my customers are in US and Canada, so switching to EU will automatically add latency to everything. That's a deal breaker for me, so I end up hosting on DO TOR cloud. At least it's not hosted in US but it is by a US company.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by AllanSavageDev »

cryo32 wrote: post #211
AllanSavageDev wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spoke with some high level folks at a very profitable private company recently and inquired as to why they had DBAs on staff for what amounts to a pretty simple OLTP type system. Id naively assumed that someone of that scale would be using a cloud provider (RDS for AWS etc) thus negating the need for someone who really knows DB internals and upgrades and OS level stuff. The answer was that they simply didn't trust…

From our perspective I'm not sure the cloud abstraction is better or we even want it to be done like that locally. Look at S3 as an API for example. It's absolutely dire. I'd rather use NFS (!). And stuff like Lambda and Cloud Functions are just cat turds. On the DB side, I can't say too much as we're a pretty obviously identifiable AWS customer if I give out any details. I will only say that nothing fits our size an…

Lambda is awesome .. until you actually try to use it for realsies. Cat turd is an apt description. Just being able to get the damn logs for debugging is itself a hassle. Terraform helps a ton in all this and I rarely find myself using the AWS UI anymore. Still Lambda is a great idea that just doesn't deliver for any use case more than responding to some S3 upload action or Event Bridge operation.

Don't even get me started on the API Gateway sitting in front of a group of related Lambdas. Its OK once you get it setup and running but buildign/changing it amounts to stabbing yourself in the eyes.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by xienze »

cjs_ac wrote: post #37
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #13

While I agree with him that the US is becoming more unpredictable, I don't think the EU is much better, especially with regards to digital things where they can be worse in some ways. For example, they are discussing restricting VPN access for 'child protection'[1] [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_AT...

The author isn't just moving their personal setup; they're also moving their business operations. It's not some slacktivism 'I don't like the US any more' issue; it's a 'how can I maintain my income now the US is firing all its glass cannon' issue.

Yeah except he made multiple exceptions and justified them with "OK well I guess these can stay because they're better than what's available in Europe." So it's not exactly "I have my values and I'm sticking with them no matter what."

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by coldpie »

pastage wrote: post #138
sisve wrote: post #82

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It started 10 years ago, but have def escalated the last year IMHO. Im sorry to say it, but i feel a lot of Europeans have lost a good deal of trust in the US.

The complete disinterest in international allies from the American public is troublesome. I recently was in a discussion about what kind of responsibility we can put on the residents of the US for this situation. A US lawyer answered "well the 25th amendment ties our hands, and we do a lot of protesting so no blame on us". The judgement on US citizens was pretty harsh. You guys have to work a lot harder to fix your i…

> The complete disinterest in international allies from the American public is troublesome.

I don't think that's a fair characterization of the American public. I am interested in America's standing in the world. More than half of Americans do not support these lunatics. Unfortunately due to our inherently unfair electoral system which gives preference to money and land over voters, it requires about 60~70% of Americans voting against them consistently for at least a decade to overcome the lunatics. That's just a very high bar to clear.

> You guys have to work a lot harder to fix your issues.

Open to suggestions. The only ideas I have for relinquishing control of the US from the billionaires back to the people would, rightly, get me banned from HN.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by pjmlp »

The biggest issue, is that the whole stack keeps being dependent on external nations, as per the companies that actually contribute to FOSS with big money.

https://insights.linuxfoundation.org/project/korg/contributo...

Then it is Go (Google), Java (Oracle, IBM, Red-Hat), .NET (Microsoft), Rust (Amazon, Microsoft, Google), Typescript (Microsoft), C and C++ (Red-Hat, IBM, Microsoft, Apple Google, ...), and so on.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by nozzlegear »

embedding-shape wrote: post #175
chrisweekly wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

citation?

Have to wait for the next Snowden before you get any citations. NSA collaborator or not, the mere existence of something like Cloudflare, which also tries to nudge you into skipping internal http/tls and just use that at the front, makes it highly likely that NSA is already deep in their infrastructure, just like they've been in the past for literally any big technology company in the US. But yeah, zero citations, ze…

So just conjecture and speculation, then.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by SlinkyOnStairs »

AllanSavageDev wrote: post #176
embedding-shape wrote: post #151

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> Definitely a change, because it is not something I can recall being important just a couple of years ago. I work as a consultant and freelancer across a bunch of companies, some American but mostly European ones. Last ~8 months or so, the sentiment about "Hosting our data in EU or even our own country" has drastically changed, I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before. The amount o…

EU hosting their own ops like they built the Airbus A380: Database runs in France, front end in Belgium, Operations in Spain... EU Fairness dictates they all need to get a slice of the pie so this will be interesting (and by that I mean absurdly hilarious).

> EU hosting their own ops like they built the Airbus A380: > Database runs in France, front end in Belgium, Operations in Spain...

You snark, but is this not EXACTLY how a sizeable majority of modern apps are made?

Substitute in some random tech stacks, cloud providers, or buzzwords.

Database runs in AWS, front end in Nuxt, Operations in Claude.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by j16sdiz »

jorisw wrote: post #208
rc_kas wrote: post #69

I switched to Protonmail a month ago. It is patently inferior to gmail. Every day I get annoyed by some weakness in the UI that google had apparently just always solved without me ever having to think about it. For example, reading long email chains in the proton UI is horrific. I don't know what google did that made it natural to read and proton does so badly, but it is painful to read these long chains of emails. A…

I'll never understand why people insist on using web based email. Just install your favorite desktop + mobile mail apps and you're fine. If that can't be done with Protonmail, and you want to move your email out of the US, suggest FastMail, based in Australia.

Searching email in local mailbox is a constant problem for me.

Nothing really support IMAP search.

Every mua sucks at large mbox file.

-- Edit: I am a happy fastmail user

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