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Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by account42 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #178
skocznymroczny wrote: post #47

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I switched to Firefox when Chrome started messing with the ad blockers. Haven't really had any issues. I prefer developer tools on Chrome but I rarely need to use them anyway.

Firefox defaults to using DoH with Cloudflare. Less evil than your ISP seeing DNS queries but CF aren't doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

The "less evil" also depends very much on your ISP. At least my ISP has to follow laws that I can theoretically influence.

My ISP also already sees the servers I connect to, so DNS gives them less additional information than it does to buttflare.

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Post by account42 »

hparadiz wrote: post #63
xacky wrote: post #55

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The trouble is that Mozilla has admitted they can't survive without Google's revenue. You are basically using Google by proxy unless you use a truly independent browser engine of they get blocked by Cloudflare for not having enough fingerprinting tech.

(Ungoogled) Chromium and Firefox are both projects that are open source and readily available. The code is sitting there ready for you to compile. More users = more donations. You can be the change you wanna see.

Neither will accept pull requests that remove the tracking wanted by the corporate overlord.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe »

protocolture wrote: post #188
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #116

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"My belief is the AI business is all about data collection." The "business" of so-called "tech" companies is all about data collection https://www.economist.com/leaders/2017/05/06/the-worlds-most...

If thats the case why dont they just pay me for it directly.

My guess: people would ask way more for that kind of information. That's why it's a totally immoral business: making people give away something they would never agree to give for free, if they were truly aware of it.

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Post by account42 »

StilesCrisis wrote: post #107
mrguyorama wrote: post #69

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95% of people who use Chrome have no clue what browser they are using. They got Chrome when it was bundled with every single installer ever for about a decade (which was so prolific and scummy that Microsoft had to make the "default app" picker system more defensive , because Chrome was abusing it more than microsoft apps were). When you installed Java, you also got Chrome set as your default browser with no interact…

Why would people still be using a computer from 2010? That might have made sense in 2015, but beggars belief in 2026.

Not everyone has a well paying tech job. Many have to use their devices until they literally die and many more choose to do so because getting a newer device would mean having to deal with the bullshit of newer software.

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Post by kevcampb »

decimalenough wrote: post #159
kevcampb wrote: post #138

This seems somewhat specious - it's also quite possible that they just altered the wording to make it less verbose. Does anyone have access to the link "Learn more about on-device AI"? If Chrome starts sending data from the browser back to Google, that's going to be a huge compliance issue. If you work for a company that processes customer data in the browser, you're going to need to ban Chrome.

Chrome has been recording metadata (URLs, timestamps, etc) about your activity since forever, and you can turn this off if you like, see https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity . They don't record data (POSTs etc).

That's on Google apps, that's not on Chrome. That's not Chrome sending your browsing data or content from inside webpages to Google.

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Post by bell-cot »

lovich wrote: post #176
bell-cot wrote: post #173

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> Does anyone believe a single big tech company isn’t harvesting data en masse from everyone in duplicitous manners? TSMC, maybe?

When I said big tech I meant software, not primarily hardware companies. ASML is also not likely to be harvesting our data.

Beyond the easy quip, my point was that "big tech" has taken on a far-too-narrow meaning. I'd bet you didn't really mean "software" either - you were, in effect, referring to the whole amoral (at best) ecosystem of companies which run social media and related web sites and data infrastructure, making their money through addiction, exploitation, and extraction.

Perhaps Cory Doctorow will come up with a better term?

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Post by dizhn »

fragmede wrote: post #120
janalsncm wrote: post #98

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What browser can genuinely claim independence from Google? Chromium browsers are all arguably in the same camp. If FF is implicated, then so are forks like Zen. Safari is probably the only one?

Ladybug is in the running. We'll have to wait and see where they get to.

Ladybird

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Post by duskdozer »

account42 wrote: post #217
naruhodo wrote: post #181

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When you use a coding model running on someone else's computer, you're giving an AI company your proprietary source code and associated documentation, and you're giving free training examples to make a future AI model better equipped to eliminate your job. Valuable data indeed.

Which is why it is odd to see so many companies jumping on the bandwagon, even those that have always been super protective of their oh so valuable proprietary internal code.

Next quarter thinking

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by nolok »

userbinator wrote: post #207

Not surprising at all. Google went full evil long ago and unless people realise quickly what direction they're going, it will get much worse. "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

I mean, you're not paying for it, you've always been the product.

They didn't alter the deal, you just stopped being as naive.

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Post by Terretta »

bigyabai wrote: post #168
GeekyBear wrote: post #108

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> adding AI to desktop apps and sending the data back to the mothership for processing is an amazing way to collect data from people Wasn't that the entire point of Windows Recall as well?

And Siri, for that matter? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/apple-settles-cla... Sheesh, I'm starting to notice a pattern...

Every vendor tripped over the third party affiliate human review issue.

While consumers remain surprised by affiliate clauses, the QC problem is considerably different from marketing against those recordings.

The linked article veers into Alexa for the ads part and says, roughly, must not be tin foil hats if everyone believes it – then explains the psychology misleading people in most cases. The "I'm noticing a pattern" thing…

Are there sources where Apple either acknowledges or even settles claims of advertising against secret Siri recordings?

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