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Write some software, give it away for free

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Re: Write some software, give it away for free

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I don’t understand what the downside of this is. That’s hilarious for them to expect, and you’re free to ignore them, take their suggestion and work on it, help them.

It can't be helped either way if it's public, but I was reminded of this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26192025

Reminds me of "Jia Tan" using sock puppets to bully the maintainer of a critical infrastructure project.

Re: Write some software, give it away for free

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Or don't. I've done both, published OSS projects and sold some software. The level of entitlement in some comments I received on the OSS side was pretty crazy at times. While with the paid software, all of the interactions I had were so much more constructive. YMMV, but willingness to pay is a great filter.

"While with the paid software, all of the interactions I had were so much more constructive. YMMV, but willingness to pay is a great filter."

That's in line with my experience on both consulting and selling software. The more they pay, the easier and reasonable they are to work with.

Years ago, I put out some free software and there were a lot of users who seemed to be on a power trip to show me who is the boss. I assumed they were some lonely guys in a basement who had nothing else going on, so they best they could come up with is to beat up an author of the only software they can afford.

Re: Write some software, give it away for free

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post #37

Or don't. I've done both, published OSS projects and sold some software. The level of entitlement in some comments I received on the OSS side was pretty crazy at times. While with the paid software, all of the interactions I had were so much more constructive. YMMV, but willingness to pay is a great filter.

A TV-presenter of a fairly popular TV-show with an audience in my country once told an anecdote that they wanted the admission for the audience to be free. But when the tickets were free, a lot less people showed up. When they changed the ticket to be the quite arbitrary amount of 7 EUR, suddenly the theater was full every time.

Yes, it is so true, people think free is junk and when they pay for something they automatically assign a value to it.

Re: Write some software, give it away for free

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Free software vs paid software - doesn't even matter right now. What matters is: billionaires and capital have full control, and increasingly more, of everything in our lifes. Throwing tantrums won't help either. What you need to do as a programmer is to get involved in social movements and politics and fight to change the world and to effectively shape the social adoption of new technologies. Truth is most programme…

Like your vibe.

One question : what would be, solely according to you, the best policies to get "us" out of this mess ? Tax wealth ? Nuke inheritance ? Something else ?

Re: Write some software, give it away for free

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post #150

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> In some ways software is really fundamentally different from things like baking or plumbing You were onto something with this but then got sidetracked. The fundamental difference is that software (digital product) is cannot be given away and cannot be consumed, it can only be copied. Any other non-digital product, a bread loaf, a pipe, for someone else to use it, you have to give it away. You must not own the bread…

I don't think it is this novel anymore though. Which easier and cheaper distribution, the same thing is starting to apply to other creative endeveours like music, art, or writing, where the costs of publishing start to get negligible, while there is an ever growing base of creatives who want to ofer their work to an audience. And maybe we should treat Open Source more like other art forms, where you get patronage, or…

I am not sure what you mean by "this novel". It is a fundamental difference between all digital products (software, music, etc) and all other physical (non-digital rather) products. It doesn't have to be a novel difference to be important. This distinction in itself is enough to produce the effects we see on the economy. I mentioned the ever changing pricing strategy of such products as an example.

> I also don't think these things are wholy incompatible with our current societal structure.

Wholy incompatible? By no means, this industry is making tons of money. Surely it is compatible.

I think of it more like a handbreak. Yhe current capitalist societal structure is putting a hard limit to our potential as a society to fully leverege these technologies to better our lives. Open source is just a glimpse of what can be accomplished when money doesn't get in the way of our work exchange. And imagine what our humanity could have achieved if 1000x people did open source without having money issues.

Re: Write some software, give it away for free

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There is also a big difference between making money to live comfortably and make money to get filthy rich. Lots of people come to tech aiming for the second, so they won't make software so you can buy them a beer. They want to hit it big, and I think this is what smuggles perverse incentives in software development.

Why the hell would it be perverse to want to get rich from something you created? Do you have some kind of right to other people's creative output now? This greed after what other people have seems to be completely boundless.

I'm making no moral judgement here, what I'm saying is that this creates perverse incentives in software that produces enshitification and such. The incentives are perverse. Nobody is after anything you own, don't smuggle that assumption here please.

Re: Write some software, give it away for free

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This has always confounded me when presented as a first choice when developing something with value. I can't think of any other fields with so much practical value where all participants are practically shamed for not giving away something that is identical to their most commercially valuable skill. Most of my life has been financed by closed source products I developed on my own to fill a real need and others had it…

Unfortunately nerds are easy to trick. Good luck convincing any other discipline to do free labour for optional donations, vibes, and "the community".

Re: Write some software, give it away for free

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post #37

Or don't. I've done both, published OSS projects and sold some software. The level of entitlement in some comments I received on the OSS side was pretty crazy at times. While with the paid software, all of the interactions I had were so much more constructive. YMMV, but willingness to pay is a great filter.

A TV-presenter of a fairly popular TV-show with an audience in my country once told an anecdote that they wanted the admission for the audience to be free. But when the tickets were free, a lot less people showed up. When they changed the ticket to be the quite arbitrary amount of 7 EUR, suddenly the theater was full every time.

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