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Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by krainboltgreene »

thephyber wrote: post #196
ryandrake wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These next few years are the real turning point. If they are right about AI and robotic workforces, then it's checkmate--they don't need us anymore, and we're next for the furnace. If they're wrong... well, I don't know... Will there be any consequences? Maybe a few people lose a few percent of their net worth.

There will always be jobs for private security, firefighters, and utility repairmen to protect / restore the data centers when people inevitably attack them. There will be a period of rapid change. If we are lucky, the political class will see and adjust policy quickly. Otherwise we will see US urban areas gutted like the Rust Belt was after NAFTA / WTO. They are making the same mistakes but in a different industry.

Why will there always be these jobs, if the technofascists are right? They're creating enslaved sentience. Even the class traitor police want a union, fight for more pay.

What's uniquely un-automate-able about those jobs in their dream future?

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by marshray »

opan wrote: post #59
preommr wrote: post #11

I really hope the editor wars don't start again. I've been happily using VsCode for years now. More than happy in fact, it's one of the best pieces of software I've ever used, as evidenced by how AI companies basically started as a VsCode fork. But this is going full-throttle on enshittification. WTF happened at microsoft (github, openai partnership, copilot pricing) that all this shit just ramped up to a 11?

vim and emacs are both still great choices.

I've been using *nix and usenet since the early 1990's.

I always thought "editor wars" was a particularly dumb in-joke among a small group and I feel sad when I see people who think it was ever more than that.

The Wikipedia page cites "The Jargon File" as an authoritative source of truth. Ridiculous.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

thephyber wrote: post #200
le-mark wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google will definitely lose. Llms supplants search. But not the old document search which they stopped doing long ago. Add in the fact that open weight models are 6-12 months behind frontier models means AI companies aren’t building a moat, they’re on a treadmill. And treadmills don’t justify the valuations OR the hype. AI companies are in trouble.

Not all AI companies are the same. Some are piling on masses of debt to built capacity (eg. Oracle). Others are just reinvesting the profits from the rest of their company (eg. Google, Meta). Anthropic’s moat is their best tool, Claude Code. OpenAI’s moat is the brand of ChatGPT, once the fastest growing app in the history of the world. It’s possible that open weight models keep pace, but it’s also possible that the…

I really don't think open models will lose. I think they are cheaper to train because they have to be more efficient than the monstrosities we have now.

There is no theory that says the current frontier models cannot exist in models with 1/100th the compute waste ;). When we start trending in that direction, and oh wow we truly are, there will be no reason for these services. You could run them on your own hardware without serious investments.

The moat openai and anthropic have is them among others have attempted to buy all of the computer hardware for the next two years. That's intentional. They know the only existential threat to them is anyone coming up with a way to do this better than them. It's already happened and it's going to become more and more divergent.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by krainboltgreene »

pron wrote: post #125
krainboltgreene wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And then set fire to the whole thing in an offering to their robot gods. It's the bourgeoisie dream: A means of production that also does the labor 24/7 and can't complain, infinitely spawnable. Theoretical slavery+, so of course they're throwing everything into the furnace for it.

Turns out it's not infinitely spawnable after all.

There's a lot of flaws with their fantasy world, that's not even the most prominent one.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by ArmadilloGang »

650 wrote: post #138
mister_mort wrote: post #41

This is pumping someone's metrics up inside of Microsoft, somewhere . The question is - will their boss revert it or encourage it when they discover the source of the stats being juiced?

A Principal Software Engineer at Microslop merged this - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dmitriy-vasyura-9191611/ This is the author of the MR - https://github.com/cwebster-99 - A Product Manager at Microslop I've routinely spoken on the uselessness, and oftentimes detriment of product managers in tech. The dearth of leadership driving for vanity metrics like PMs writing code doesn't help either.

I can’t access that LinkedIn link without going through their Persona ID process, which requires all kinds of PII.

> LinkedIn users attempting identity verification may be unknowingly handing sensitive personal data to Persona Identities Inc., a company that distributes information to government agencies, credit bureaus, utilities, and mobile providers.

^ Link from a LinkedIn page I found on a Kagi search.

I can view some LinkedIn pages but not others without logging in.

Even though I’ve never posted to LinkedIn it only use it as a public résumé, my account was flagged as needing identity verification. I’m pretty sure this happened a year or two ago when I changed my email address from one domain I owned to another domain I owned.

I’ve never been able to log in since then, and there is no support path. The only available way past it is to simply submit all the info to Persona.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by ashirviskas »

cookiengineer wrote: post #147
Animats wrote: post #7

Does that make the code uncopyrightable? Non-human authorship?

The real question is why Anthropic was able to use DMCA takedown requests "in good faith" against the Claude leaks when their own CTO claimed it is a 100% slopcoded codebase, and they themselves argue that all LLM generated code is transformed enough to not be copyrightable. Which they have to state without being able to turn back because they violated millions of book and software licenses during training. Make it m…

What? Training is not inference. Reading books is not the same as writing.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #157
janice1999 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They invested billions. They're scared.

> They invested billions. They're scared. They could have shipped a good product with all those billions they spent in reinventing Clippy. I have this feeling that their bet was that all the Microsoft shops will jump on Copilot without looking at alternatives, so they did not really have to make it as good as their competition.

"good" is not important for software anymore, at least in the regular consumer market. Companies have discovered that people will just continue to accept subpar, unfinished and sometimes even partially-functioning software.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by Aurornis »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #149
yankohr wrote: post #84

This feels like the modern version of 'Sent from my iPhone' but much more invasive. Git commits are legal and technical records. Falsifying who authored a piece of code just to pump up AI usage stats is a huge breach of trust and it is disappointing to see Microsoft prioritize branding over the integrity of the developer's log. I expect my IDE to record what happened, not what the marketing department wants people to…

One could argue that Co-Authored by Copilot means 'not under copyright'

The headline literally says the line is being inserted regardless of usage, which makes it easy to argue that it’s entirely meaningless as an indicator of AI use at all.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by Gibbon1 »

estimator7292 wrote: post #216
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They invested billions. They're scared. They could have shipped a good product with all those billions they spent in reinventing Clippy. I have this feeling that their bet was that all the Microsoft shops will jump on Copilot without looking at alternatives, so they did not really have to make it as good as their competition.

Good products are not profitable enough . Not that good products are profitable at all, but if it doesn't make disgusting amounts of money this quarter it's not worth considering at all. We've reached the phase of "infinite shareholder growth" where physics says no, and that is so unacceptable that we'd rather burn down the entire global economy than accept less than exponential growth. It isn't that growth is imposs…

The formulas used for asset valuations blow up when growth turns negative.
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