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Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by kstrauser »

Zed got me off of Emacs for the most part, which is about the highest praise I can offer. I've never used an editor that 1. closely mapped to how I think about code, and 2. is easily extensible enough that it's broadly supported with a gazillion third-party packets, and 3. is lightning fast. Emacs does 1 and 2. VSCode excels at 2. Sublime is good for 2 and 3, and Vim, and BBEdit 2 too. Zed's the only one I've ever tried that nailed all 3, plus excellent out of the box defaults.

I think it's fantastic. I still keep my Emacs chops up because it's 50 years old and I know it'll be here another 50 years from now, but Zed's open on my desktop more than any other app.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by nickelpro »

_verandaguy wrote: post #177
mtoner23 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LSP is how all editors work today and its simplified everything so so much. you should figure them out

While this comment is overly general (some major editors ship without LSP support built in; many more do not have a sane configuration out-of-the-box), it is useful to learn about them and how your editor of choice integrates with them. The landscape isn't generally intuitive, unfortunately, and while it's getting better, understanding the differences and interop places between LSP, Treesitter, DAP, your editor, and…

This is way too equivocating.

You are a craftsman, learn your tools. Could you imagine the equivalent from other professionals? A machinist saying, "Understanding the differences and interop places between the DRO, hand controls, and CNC controls for the lathe can be a big confusing time hog."

It takes a couple of hours, and it's a tool you use every single day. Learning how it works is the price of entry, not a mountain to overcome.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by hakunin »

maratc wrote: post #167
hakunin wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also sticking with Sublime for many years, and at this point it feels like it is some kind of old man stubbornness (like George R.R. Martin using WordStar 4.0 type thing). I don't know why its ergonomics for me have been just unbeatable. I gave others (VSCode and Zed) good weeks and months of configuring them to my liking and using them exlusively, and always returned to Sublime. All the AI stuff just runs on the…

As you mentioned iTerm, you should also check out TextMate, the thing that Sublime Text was inspired by.

I used TextMate prior to Sublime, but then I became into vim mode, which TM never got I believe.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by kstrauser »

vunderba wrote: post #209
giancarlostoro wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I do like Kate, but Zed seems to give me the best of everything I want. It's like they know exactly what I want out of an editor, they provide way more than I need, but that is okay too.

I think I need to give Zed another look. A while back, it seemed like they’d shifted gears toward prioritizing AI, and I lost interest because I was looking for a more pure IDE with solid LSP support, good debugging tools, and so on.

They've prioritized supporting AI for people who want to use it, but it's highly respectful of devs who don't want to.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by zamalek »

maxnoe wrote: post #193
arijun wrote: post #156

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What is Ghostty's advantage over Alacritty?

One would be support for ligatures

Ligatures are a renderer issue, so using alacritty as a lib wouldn't have this issue (it does demonstrate their hardline stance). Another example that would translate is how long it took them to support disambiguation of key combinations: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/6378 (2019-2023). Of course, the maintainers are free to do whatever they want with the project - but such things do make alacritty-as-a-lib an exceptionally bad choice for situations where you want things to just work.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

nielsbot wrote: post #206

Does a native UI experience have no value these days? I mean--amazing achievement building an alternate GPU-accelerated UI framework from scratch, and I do love the responsiveness, but this leaves you with a non-native app that doesn't follow OS conventions and will not get appearance and behavior updates going forward without a lot of additional effort.

Unfortunately the reality nowadays seems to be that besides the dated QT, there are no good or popular cross-platform UI libraries for these use cases. It's bold that they built their own.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by jcgrillo »

RMarcus wrote: post #25
jcgrillo wrote: post #20

How is their emacs keymap support? I tried VSCode for a while but switched back to emacs because it was so slow and the keymap was not very good. I've been intending to try Zed but emacs is working well enough so the motivation isn't really there yet..

I've got emacs keybinds in my muscle memory and Zed works well for me, although there's no kill ring and the macro system is nothing like emacs. The former will be added at some point (there's an open PR), but I do not expect the latter will ever be comparable.

Thanks for the info. Kill ring support is definitely a must for me, I care a lot less about macros. I'll keep an eye out for it!

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by zamalek »

pastel8739 wrote: post #60
f311a wrote: post #11

Too bad they did not include better search UI into this release. When you search, Zed opens a new tab, which I hate. Sometimes I just want to have a quick glance at some code and close the search using escape. Telescope style search in vim, helix or JetBrains tools is so much better. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/46478

Huh, I absolutely love Zed’s search UI. I just navigate back to my previous tab with ctrl-o when I’m done

I love it too, but instantly knew it would be polarizing the first time I used it :)

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by airstrike »

sev_verso wrote: post #80

I've been using the editor since the early days and have always been a fan of its visual look and feel, so I was pretty happy to see its UI library open sourced. I wish GPUI could become the go-to Rust UI library and not just an editor backend. For that, a couple of changes would be highly desirable: being able to switch the GPU backend from Metal to wgpu (so it could be mixed with vello, for instance), and the abili…

There's never going to be one GUI library to rule them all, but I find iced the best Rust library at the moment and likely for the foreseeable future.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by john_strinlai »

obeavs wrote: post #97

What an abysmal series of top comments. These guys created a phenomenal product using novel technology, which will only continue to improve. Great work to the Zed team.

yeah, all forms of criticism, all feature suggestions, any comparisons to other products/solutions, etc. should be outright banned by HN. if you aren't praising the thing, get out!

(do you comment this same type of thing on github, microsoft, apple, etc. posts? all of these comments seem absolutely tame compared to the vitriol in those threads. most top comments here are supportive. most of the negative ones are constructive.)

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