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Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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I’m not from the US and not trying to defend the US actions, but on Iraq and Gaza, much of Europe takes the same position and goes along with it (and even directly joined the wars and sent troops). I find the online opinion on Europe / US relations interesting. Online you’d think Europe and US are about to split. But in real life, Europe is more dependent on the US than ever. In terms of energy (Russian fossil fuels…

> I’m not from the US and not trying to defend the US actions, but on Iraq and Gaza, much of Europe takes the same position and goes along with it (and even directly joined the wars and sent troops). What?! I'm not talking about the recent events when Europe not only didn't joint Trump's war but openly refused the use of its military bases. Even in the past when the so-called "coalition of the willing" was formed, Eu…

Not trying to be a cynic, but I think you’ve got a bit of a rosy view of what happened and what is happening.

Concerning past wars: yes there were enormous protests. Just like today, many people disagreed with what was happening. But the same was true in the US; many Americans also disagreed with the Iraq war. There was an entire Bush vs Kerry election on that theme. In the end though, there’s a difference between what normal citizens are saying, and what the country actually does. This applies to both the US and Europe. With Iraq, despite all these protests, the majority of European states actually joined the war, with a few standout exceptions like the neutral states and France/Germany. And then they joined the US in several more regime change operations over the following two decades (and with these somehow the IS didn’t even seem like the main cheerleader).

With Iran now, there’s what normal people say and what politicians say and do. I haven’t seen any of the major leaders actually condemn the war apart from Spain. Most tweets are along the lines if “we are watching with concern but we agree something had to be done”. Macron only piped up against it like a month in, and that seemed as much related to Trump insulting his wife as it was to the war itself.

EU is the third largest economy and has 450m people. If they genuinely wanted to do something about this, about their oil being cut off and all the rest of it, they would have.

On Gaza too. Despite the large protests, and there are a few small nations plus Spain being vocal about it, but what concrete actions has the EU and European nations taken on Gaza? And have you actually seen the UK and German government responses to the protests?

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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post #122

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> or Iran obtained nuclear weapons False dichotomy American intelligence showed Iran was nowhere near building a nuclear weapon. Frankly, a better question would be to ask why Mango Mussolini tore up the 2016 Iran Nuclear deal (JCPOA).... Hint: It might be something to do with it being made by his predecessor.

The Iranians were enriching uranium far past the point of any use beyond nuclear weapons. Why, do you think, that is?

Once again:

American intelligence showed Iran was nowhere near building a nuclear weapon.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Well, the nuclear deterrence was how effective in RU vs UA and US/IL vs IR?

Like I said, if you think you don't need nuclear deterrance, there is no point in discussing this further. Also funny how you give 2 examples of nuclear powers who attack countries with no nuclear deterrence.

> Also funny how you give 2 examples of nuclear powers who attack countries with no nuclear deterrence.

Yes, very funny. When you're done laughing, would you mind reflecting on the fact that neither of those countries have lost their respective war of yet (despite fighting against a nuclear power, both of whom have threatened to use nukes in one way or another?)

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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post #223

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Like I said, if you think you don't need nuclear deterrance, there is no point in discussing this further. Also funny how you give 2 examples of nuclear powers who attack countries with no nuclear deterrence.

> Also funny how you give 2 examples of nuclear powers who attack countries with no nuclear deterrence. Yes, very funny. When you're done laughing, would you mind reflecting on the fact that neither of those countries have lost their respective war of yet (despite fighting against a nuclear power, both of whom have threatened to use nukes in one way or another?)

It's clear you don't understand the "deterrence" part of "nuclear deterrence".

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Europe managed to get off Russian Gas, but didn’t manage to get off Russian uranium industry. You correctly identified the chokepoints and Russia can’t be replaced fast there.

> Europe managed to get off Russian Gas, but didn’t manage to get off Russian uranium industry. Only Slovakia and Hungary. They will need to find a way. (Finland planned it but cancelled after Russia invaded Ukraine.) There is zero chance that new nuclear plants in Europe will use any Russian tech or fuel.

France still gets around a quarter of its uranium from russia and partnerships between Framatome and Rosatom are still going on: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-russian-state-owned-n...

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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> I’m not from the US and not trying to defend the US actions, but on Iraq and Gaza, much of Europe takes the same position and goes along with it (and even directly joined the wars and sent troops). What?! I'm not talking about the recent events when Europe not only didn't joint Trump's war but openly refused the use of its military bases. Even in the past when the so-called "coalition of the willing" was formed, Eu…

Not trying to be a cynic, but I think you’ve got a bit of a rosy view of what happened and what is happening. Concerning past wars: yes there were enormous protests. Just like today, many people disagreed with what was happening. But the same was true in the US; many Americans also disagreed with the Iraq war. There was an entire Bush vs Kerry election on that theme. In the end though, there’s a difference between wh…

It's not exactly rosy as you say, but the leaders are increasingly open with Trump as to what they actually think (see Merz's latest comments) and he uses this as an excuse to realize what they planned a few years ago. There is zero chance that any Europen state starts bombing Iran.

OTOH, while refusing to do wrong is already something, there are limits to what they can actively start doing - and concrete consequences if they start doing something Trump doesn't like. He's highly unstable and can decide to take a decision that can be perceived as crazy, and harmful to the USA, but at the same time harmful to the ex-ally who decided to stand up to him. So the EU leaders basically do what they can to just wait the crazy guy out.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Alas, it is exactly the intermittent renewables that create a dependency on fossil fuels. Unless you have nuclear or another reliable source like hydro, which you only get if you have the right topography for it.

> Alas, it is exactly the intermittent renewables that create a dependency on fossil fuels. First of all, this is an insane statement. > Unless you have nuclear Second of all, with nuclear most countries will still be dependent on other countries for their fuel needs. So it doesn't solve the problem discussed here at all.

Stockpiling uranium ore, or lowly enriched uranium is much simpler than stockpiling natural gas.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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post #222

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The Iranians were enriching uranium far past the point of any use beyond nuclear weapons. Why, do you think, that is?

Once again: American intelligence showed Iran was nowhere near building a nuclear weapon.

You have no idea whether or not that's true. What they say is crafted for political effect, and we don't know what's in the classified briefing. It's kind of irrelevant, though. If they're enriching uranium, they're trying to build a nuclear weapon whether or not they're close to finishing.
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